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The inscription on watch that make's Sonny think his name is Mike--which I guess it technically is--says "Mike, never enough time, Love A."  The letter A refers to Adelle, Sonny's mother, and Mike's ex-wife.  But Sonny/Mike doesn't know that, obviously.  I am really starting to think that Alexis--whose name also begins with the letter A--will discover him and she will tell him that they are married.  I think Alexis will decide to start her life over with an amnesiac Sonny, who is free from the mob.  We could see them living as a married couple, away from Port Charles, for 6 months.

Eileen Davidson's incarnation of Kelly Capwell on Santa Barbara.  She was dramatically changed and turned into the new Eden.

Laura Templeton on GH, after Laura Spencer "died," is something I have heard before, although I never fully understood the story.  

I don't think Reese on GH was a Brenda replacement, she was the real Carly Roberts, and her story was all about Carly Benson's backstory.  I wish they had done a better job with it, since it did show a lot of potential at times.  She should not have been killed off IMO.  I think it would have gone better if they had not also introduced John Durant, Carly's father.  Actually, Carly really shouldn't have had a father.  They should have kept true to history, and let her father be one of Bobby's johns.  Ironically, a few years later the introduction of DNA companies like Ancestry, 23andme, etc. would have made it much more interesting to do a story involving Carly's search for her paternal family.  

22 hours ago, AdelaideCate007 said:

So sad. I loved him and Tiffany on GH as a kid.

 

 

Neither of these were great, but sadly, a lot of that was probably due to the fact that everyone that really knew Lee and Gail are marginilised or gone from the show. There just wasn't a lot to work with (that doesn't excuse how half arsed it was though with flashbacks and story beats). At least this time, they have Anna, Monica, Robert, Laura, and Mac as fairly active characters. Felicia and Bobbie are around. There's also Tracy, Lucy, Scott, and Kevin. There's actually enough people around to shore up a decent tribute episode or two if they want to.

They could also bring Robin back for the funeral.  For that matter, they could have Tiffany make an appearance. 

I am thinking the funeral will be held in Port Charles.  Maybe they will have Sean buried there, or at least his ashes will be sprinkled there.  

I finally caught yesterday's episode on the internet.  And FV appears to have done something that is amazing to me, although I guess it shouldn't be.

It seems like a scene with Liz and Maxie wound up on the editing room floor.  Liz followed Maxie to the bathroom.  We never saw them speak, and instead we got boring Franco and Peter stuff, that I guess was more germane to the development of the story that they are pushing.  But the Liz and Maxie stuff would have been so much more interesting, given their history.  

I hope they find a way to show it to us, via flashbacks.  But my guess is that they won't.

DAYS: The return of Diana Colville was beyond preposterous.  She was a genuine heroine and he turned her into a murderer who was obsessed with a man she broke up with 30 years earlier.  And it was her choice, he wasn't looking to part with her.

I'll give RC credit for having her say "hello Roman" in her first scene with John.  For the most part DAYS has been bad about having people who left during the era of Roman II, and came back after he was John, not acknowledge the change. (Although I guess you could argue that Steve and Hope had amnesia when they first reconnected with Salem, and by the time they recovered their memories they knew the whole story).  But I don't think too many other writers would have realized how important it was for her to call him Roman in that first scene.

Also, Angelica's return was a total waste, and how it limits Jack's story, in less you want to say she is somehow alive.  But this was Jack's family, and I hate that they brought her back without him.  I also hate that after MA/Jack fans spent years lobbying for his rape of Kayla to be re-acknowledged they finally did it when he was off the show.

GH: That recast of Lois Cerullo (around 2006) didn't go over so well IMO.  I wish the show had taken another shot at Ned & Lois at some point, and I wish they had taken another shot at Rena Sofer.  If Rena ever leaves B&B I would love to see her back on GH.

Passions: I don't know if you can count someone who was never on the show before as "returning," but we waited a long time to finally meet Martin Fitzgerald, and that really fell flat.

Santa Barbara: the return of Keith Timmons.

OLTL: I also felt like Tina was coming across more like Rebecca from Passions.  But I liked how they incorporated her connection with David into the story, even though AE's version had no history with him.  It was clever how they just missed each other, and were never on screen together, but were still in each other's shadows, so to speak.  If they could have gotten Andrea long-term it would have been interesting to see Tina and David in a long-term storyline. 

I am starting to wonder if they plan on having Alexis leave town and meet up with an amnesiac Sonny.  Maybe she would be interested in a relationship with him if he was free from the mob, kind of like the way that Liz wanted to be with Drew/"Jason" when he had no memory.  

21 hours ago, Khan said:

My hunch?  We're going to find out that Gwen and Abigail were switched at birth.

Jack delivered Abigail at Maggie's old farmhouse.  It was just him and Jennifer there.

Besides, Abby must have had extensive genetic testing done when she was sick with aplastic anemia and they were searching for a bone marrow donor.  

On 12/30/2020 at 1:47 AM, carolineg said:

Again, I think Britt is the only character over 30 that doesn't have kids, has a great career we see, and doesn't show a strong desire to have kids (even though she was great with Spencer). 

I think they are slowly reintroducing Britt to us.  Eventually, I think they will start to talk more about how much it hurt her to give up Rocco.  I know she is not his biological mother, but she is still his birth mother.  Granted, she had no right to steal Dante and Lulu's embryo.  But that doesn't lessen the reality of her pain when she had to give him up.  If the writing team is any good, we will see some scenes with them when he is a little older.  

For that matter, I don't like how they have totally discarded Claudette.  I would like to see her back, at least occasionally.  And there should be some mentions from Charlotte about Claudette being someone special to her.  

2 hours ago, carolineg said:

There is no story for Kristina, but let's give Sonny 2 other daughters 

I am starting to think that Kristina is the heir apparent to Amy Vining.  She will be there for years, with huge ties to a core family, but won't ever be a major character with a big story of her own.

On 12/14/2020 at 5:30 PM, j swift said:

Looking back, I think there were some key elements missing from the setup of the plot and the payoff was deeply unsatisfying.  This was mostly due to recasts and other production elements that were beyond the control of the writers.  On paper, meeting the patriarch of the Love family and having him be involved with the matriarch of the McKinnons was intriguing, but the execution was flawed.  I think fans were ultimately disappointed when a plot that should have established the backstory cannon of the Loves and the McKinnons turned into the expansion of the Hudson clan and the conflict between brothers John and Michael.

 

First, the children that were most affected by Mary's absence were not the central focus of the story.  There was a lot of hubbub regarding Reginald's return on the relationship of Donna and Michael (whom by all rights should have already bought their own penthouse and moved out from living with her adult brother and sister long before Reg even came to town).  Cheryl, Vicky and Marley really should have been the center of the story.  AWHP reports that Mary came on in August 1986, but Marly left the first time in September 1986 for a year, Vicky left in December (who would have know Rhonda Lewin would have been such a flop) and Cheryl left (with Scott) by July 1988 after being backburned for a few awhile.  MJ was given most of the dialogue about accepting her missing mother back into the fold, but there was very little exploration into how the loss of her mother played into her youthful indiscretions into porn and drugs.   However, I think the show missed a beat by not focusing enough of the storyline on the impact on the youngest kids. 

 

It has already been mentioned that Donna's de-evolution into a weeping victim damaged her as a character in ways that could only have been resolved by Anna Stuart's return to the role and the ensuing retrograde amnesia of never mentioning Reg again.  However, having Cheryl and/or Marley being terrorized by Reg would have fit better with those characters.  Then, an emboldened Donna and Mary could have helped them fight back.

 

I also agree that more exploration into the marriage of Elizabeth and Reginald, through the eyes of Jason Frame and Mary McKinnon would have been preferable.  The whole timeline of when they both left (and why) was resolved through exposition which was very unsatisfying.  Imagine how great a set of flashbacks with Anne Heche as Elizabeth and Tom Eplin as a young Reg to let viewer see their relationship would have been?  The loss of Elizabeth could have gone a long way to humanize Reg and his motivation.   It would also have served to make him more of a plausible angle in the Mary/Reg/Vince triangle.  And Anne as Elizabeth would have explained Reg's attachment to Vicky.

 

Finally, a nitpick that I have with all return-from-the-dead stories, just once I would like to see a soap play out the beats of how one re-establishes their life after returning from the dead.  It was instantly assumed that Reg owned the Love mansion and controlled the businesses.  However, years earlier Carl had embezzled from the family business and Donna was able to mortgage the house to pay off the debt.  So, it would have been nice to have some explanation about how he was able to immediately repossess all of his belongings, especially after defrauding his investors by escaping to South America.  I've always wanted one scene where a character like Mary has to go to the DMV and try to get a driver's license after being declared missing for years.  Just something to acknowledge that appearing back in town doesn't indicate that all of your rights and properties are immediately returned to their prior ownership.  

 

Speaking of the undesirable focus on the expansion of Michael's family, does anyone recall when the girls went from being Love's to Hudson's?  Vicky was frequently referenced as Vicky Hudson, but she couldn't have been adopted by Michael because the twins turned 18 soon after she arrived in Bay City (when Marley was supposed to receive her trust fund).   So, when did they change their last name?

Great post.

I wonder, if the internet was around in 1986, would people have been screaming "Scott and Cheryl are brother and sister!!"  I actually wonder the same thing about Tony and Kristen on Days of our Lives.  It was weird back then how Peter Blake called Tony his brother, even though he was no more related to him than Kristen.  Today, they are referred to by the show as brother and sister.

Speaking of Scott and Cheryl, I didn't even know until just recently that they had made love right before leaving the show.  I guess it was one of those things where if you blinked, you missed it...and I was away at summer camp.  I wish I had known that because I was a big fan of theirs back in the day, and I would have enjoyed that resolution.  Even at the time, at a very young age, I sensed that they were forced to break up because NBC did not want to let young heroines have sex too quickly.

With regards to last names, Another World did that a lot.  A character would suddenly have their proper last name, usually the name of their father.  Dennis Carrington came back as Dennis Wheeler.  Vicky and Marley Love became Hudsons.  Evan Bates became Evan Frame.  And I distinctly remember one episode where Scott called himself Scott Love, although I guess he went back to being Scott LaSalle.  Actually, before Marissa became Mary again, there was a brief period where she was being called, and even referred to herself as, Marissa Love. 

This happened under a number of different executive producers and head writers over the course of many years.  I think that certain shows have certain things that just do.  For example, it was the norm on GH to kill off a bad guy, have them quickly come back from the dead, and then quickly kill them for real.  Damien Smith, Katherine Bell, AJ Quartermaine (in 2005, notwithstanding his 2012 return).

19 hours ago, Franko said:

Just popping in to mention that Chris Robinson's last GH episodes were actually the week of Thanksgiving 1986. I see Vince McKinnon was gone from Dec. 1986-Jan. 1987 (to facilitate the recast from Stroud to Hogan). Seems like that would have been an ideal time to introduce Robinson. While we're on the subject, I want to say he *was* actually considered for Vince or another parental role (but didn't want to play the father of an adult?).

Thanks!!  I got my GH dates from IMDB, but they do have a lot that is wrong/missing.  

Robinson coming in as Vince McKinnon in early 1987 when the role was first recast would indeed have been ideal.  Or if he had left GH a year earlier then maybe he would have been available sooner, assuming he was willing to consider the part.  Maybe if AW offered to let him take on the role from the beginning of the "Who is Marissa LaSalle" story he would have said yes, especially if they made a really good pitch to him.  As I said, the story had a load of potential.

On 1/28/2018 at 7:18 PM, j swift said:

Excellent point, Mary's growth is the one part of that story that I can appreciate

 

Another excellent point, I hadn't thought about the fact that Michael wasn't there for the birth of the twins (or triplets?) and I haven't done the math to see how long Mary worked in the house before she hightailed it to Paraguay.

 

Two points from my re-watch, when Mary-Marissa was first shown in South America there was at least some initial conflict.  Mary-Marissa believed that her husband was funding her charity work and that was important to her.  She seemed sophisticated  and comfortable in her role as an ex-pat socialite.  The scenes in her villa prior to arriving in Bay City only lasted a few episodes.  I guess that's what drove her to further her education? 

 

However, I do not appreciate that Mary never got a financial settlement from Reginald.  It was seen as a character building exercise for Mary that she refused Reg's money but I reject that narrative.  Reg stole many of Mary's good years and she deserved some cash for her troubles. 

 

What story brings in MJ?  I read that she dated Stephen Yate's Jamie.

There was actually a scene, early on in the storyline, where Cass recommended to Mary that she file a personal injury lawsuit against Reginald.  Little did they know just how responsible he was for her loss of memory.  I believe it was ultimately concluded that Reginald had his doctor deliberately damage her memory.

On 1/28/2018 at 8:46 AM, teplin said:

 

Yes, that character was badly conceived, badly written and badly played by John Considine. He might as well have been twirling his mustache every time he was on screen, he was so over-the-top eeeevil. That made it hard to sympathize with Mary and her choices, even though Denise Alexander had audiences in her pocket from day one in her previous soap roles. I think Alexander made the best of what she was given, but the show really failed to capitalize on her appeal.

I agree that the story was loaded with potential that was wasted.  To be fair, it was the story that first got me watching the show.  But it could have been much better.  

I think it would have been interesting if they could have persuaded Chris Robinson to take the role of Vince in early October 1986, right after he left GH in late September.  He could have started on the day that Mary and Vince first came face to face after 17 years.  As I wrote above, I liked Ben Hogan in the role.  But reuniting Denise and Chris in a love story, where they were the couple to root for, would have been a great opportunity.  I think it would have worked much better than bringing him in as Jason Frame.

As for Reginald, I wish he had been written more like Victor Kiriakis from Days of our Lives (80s version).  In other words, as a mobster.  I also think they should have gotten an older actor to play him.  And speaking of older actors, it would also have been good if Mary's parents were still alive when she came back.  That would have added more emotion to the story, and possibly opened the door for creating another core family.  I don't remember if they ever explained whether her parents died before she left, or if they both died thinking that they had outlived her.  

On 12/11/2020 at 2:02 PM, ccroom50 said:

Another World(AW Morgan Winthrop, Mary Frances "Frankie" Frame Winthrop, Ryan Harrison, Bridget Connell, Michael Hudson, Shane Roberts

 

Passions(PASS): Foxworthy "Fox" Crane, Grace Bennett

Morgan Winthrop didn't die, he left town.  And Shane Roberts' death doesn't belong in this category IMO.  The character was unpopular from day one.  The obvious thing to do was bring RKK back as Sam Fowler, but JFP had her own ideas for what she wanted.

Speaking of JFP, she really destroyed that show.  Killing Ryan in a way that left no possibility of a return was a terrible decision.  They should have tried to hold onto PMV, and if they couldn't then they should have left the possibility of a return open.  But Jill didn't value his character, or the Vicky/Ryan romance.  That was a terrible decision.  No matter what the writers tried to tell us, Jake and Vicky couldn't hold a candle to Ryan and Vicky.

I was much more partial to Kathleen than Frankie, but it was a mistake to kill her off, especially in the brutal way that they did.  And when the big showdown against Fax Newman finally happened, they gave the scene to Morgan, rather than to Cass.  She was another one that the new team just didn't value.  

Killing Bridget was totally pointless, almost like killing Alan Quartermaine on GH.  It was classic JFP. 

In her brief tenure at Another World JFP did an unbelievable amount of damage.  She and Guza really butchered General Hospital as well, although admittedly not quite as badly.  By the time JFP was done at AW the show had little to no possibility of recovering, even if it could hang on for a little while longer.  Ironically, that makes its death somewhat similar to that of Frankie Frame, who was still alive when Fax left her, but was destined to expire very soon thereafter. 

Michael Hudson was a long-time core character who still had plenty of story left in him.  The new writing team seemed to feel that it was more important to create conflict for Vicky/Jake and advance their story.  

As for Passions, it amazed me that they not only killed Grace off, but they didn't even bring her back for the finale.  They actually thought it was worth bringing back Antonio, and pairing him with Sheridan no less, but not worth bringing back Grace.  And pairing Sam with Ivy was absolutely preposterous.   

On 1/27/2018 at 4:34 PM, Xanthe said:

Regarding Vince's face -- Mary was dead during the first Vince (Jack Ryland) and really only experienced Duke Stroud and Robert Hogan.

 

 

Duke Stroud was fine as Vince in the way that Frank Parker was fine as Grandpa Shawn Brady on Days of our Lives.  He was well-cast to be the patriarch of the McKinnon family, and he had good father-daughter chemistry with his children.

Ben Hogan also had a good connection with the actors playing Vince's daughters.  He had superior chemistry with characters like Ada and Felicia.  And he came across much more like a leading man who was ready for a major storyline that he was at the center of.

In the end, none of this mattered too much.  What really mattered is that Duke had absolutely no chemistry IMO with Denise Alexander.  Robert Hogan was a much better match for Denise.  And I think having the story begin with Duke Stroud in the role of Vince prevented it from taking off as much as it might have, although I must admit it was the story that got me watching the show.  There were also some problems with the writing, of course.

What would have been amazing would have been if Chris Robinson, who had played opposite Denise Alexander as her husband Rick Webber on GH, had been cast in the role of Vince.  He left GH at the end of September 1986.  Vince came face to face with Mary for the first time in early October 1986.  Imagine if AW had immediately recast the role and his first day was the day that Vince and Mary had reunited.  I actually think he would have been well-cast as Vince McKinnon.  He was somewhat of a combination between Stroud and Hogan.  And I think he could have done good things with the part.

You know that AW would have loved it because they eventually went out and got Robinson to play Jason Frame.  And they immediately put Jason into a story with Mary.  I think it would have been better if he had just been brought in as a recast of Vince McKinnon.  I suppose they also could have brought him in when they brought Vince back in early 1987 played by Hogan after the character had been off screen for a couple of months.  I suppose it is possible that they tried but he wasn't interested at that point. 

Mind you, I liked Ben Hogan a lot in the role.  He played the part of Vince well.  But reuniting Chris and Denise would have been too good an opportunity to pass up.  

I liked this episode a lot.  And I like it when Laura Wright takes on these throwback characters.  I enjoyed her as Lena Eckert Spencer, Luke and Bobby's mother, and I thought she did a good job as Beatrice Eckert.

BTW, I have a question for anyone reading this who watched Port Charles.  As I understand it, Lucy's candle was part of a big storyline on Port Charles back in the day.  Can someone tell me about that story?  

Jack Deveraux was butchered so badly that most fans don't even realize that he was butchered.  First of all, while he was always an odd individual, DAYS goes through phases where they portray him as a total freak.  Second, the one time that he legitimately left Jennifer was when he blamed himself for Abby's illness.  He never would have left his family to go chase adventures.  

Anna sleeping with Faison is beyond ridiculous, and pretty disgusting.  Even if they say she never did, and that it was Alex, we will still have to accept that she thought she did for many years, and went through life believing that it happened.  That is pretty disgusting in its own right.  Shame on GH for that one.

Victor Lord on OLTL is probably the ultimate example. 

5 hours ago, carolineg said:

 

I would 100% consider LR the definitive Billie Reed, although I am sure others would disagree.  

 

SF and RS are great examples of this thread.  I was just thinking ED because Kristen was so polarizing on Days and took a lame character into something so much more.  I would argue Laura/Stephanie and Rachel/Dorian were always meant to be leads, but Eileen propelled both her roles into a more leading capacity than what was first imagined.  But again, all of this is highly debatable and I don't think there are wrong answers, just different perceptions.

Rachel was not meant to be the lead under Robin Strasser.  She made that role into so much more than it was ever intended to be.  Certainly Agnes Nixon was excited about the character.  She was the forerunner to Erica Kane.  But I don't think Rachel was initially envisioned to go as far as she ultimately did. 

I don't know if she was ever what you would call the lead, though.  I think she was comparable to Andrea Evans' Tina Lord Roberts from 1985-1990.  It was a huge part,  but perhaps not the lead.  It's debatable, I guess.

On 10/9/2020 at 10:38 PM, Chris B said:

Julie Pinson is another. Of course she was beloved as Eve on Port Charles and then she to many people is the definitive Billie on Days, despite being a recast. 
 

 

I don't think I would agree with that.  I think Lisa Rinna is generally thought of as the definitive Billy Reed.  

On 10/12/2020 at 12:42 PM, carolineg said:

 

Eileen Davidson's YR Ashley/Days Kristen et all is truly the best example for this thread.

I would argue that Susan Flannery, who was Laura on DAYS and Stephanie on B&B, is the best example.  She was the biggest star on both shows for many years. 

I don't think any other actor can say that.  The closest other example would be Robin Strasser as Rachel on AW and Dorian on OLTL.  But I don't think either of her character's were quite at the same level as Flannery's.  

I was wondering if the regular posters here had speculated that Jack might be Gwen's father.  It seemed like they were hinting at that today. 

If Jack is the father, then the mother might be a woman named Kristina.  She was Victor's pseudo-niece/goddaughter from Europe.  Jack was sleeping with her when he was engaged to Melissa, Maggie's daughter.  Actually, they had sex in the church dressing room a half an hour before Jack and Melissa's wedding was supposed to happen.  (Jack was really bad back then).

With any other writer I would assume that they would just make up another woman from when Jack was off camera and he and Jen were divorced.  But Ron Carlivati loves to show that he knows his shows' history, even bringing up obscure characters from the past.  When he was at OLTL he regularly did this.  And, of course, he famously destroyed Genie Francis' Diana Colville with that insane story, although he did understand the importance of having her call him "Roman" when they first saw each other.

Another possibility is that Peter Blake is her father.  When Matt and Missy first returned in 2001, after a long absence, they essentially wrote that whole era out of the show's history.  It was never mentioned--not once.  The closest they came to even alluding to it was when Jen realized the truth about who Colin Murphy really was.  Headwriters Peter Brash and Paula Cwigly clearly hated Ken Corday's guidelines about that era, and took the opportunity to have Jen make a cryptic statement about how she found the wrong guy on purpose then say "you would think the past would have taught me something." 

In recent years there seem to have been some fleeting mentions of Peter.  I haven't watched the show regularly for a while now, but that is what I have gathered.  So I guess the faux era, as J&J fans used to call it, is part of the show's cannon again.  Peter could be brought back, provided the role is recast with a new actor.  Obviously, Missy Reeves and Jason Brooks will never work together again.

It says on my TV preview--I'm not sure what they are called, maybe it is TV guide--that "Sami brings in a surprise witness to bolster her case."  I am going to predict that it is Sydney. 

I think Sami's now 16 year old daughter is going to come in an pour her heart out to the judge about how horrible Nicole is for kidnapping her.  

On Edit: Wow, just a few seconds after posting what I wrote above I have already been proven wrong.  It turns out that Sami's surprise witness is Victor.  I think Sydney would have made a much better choice but apparently TPTB are determined to run with this story about Sami messing up with all her children.  

Hopefully they will eventually settle on her having been a better mother to EJ's children.  Maybe they are saving Sydney for the permanent custody hearing.  

2 minutes ago, juppiter said:

Is there an April thread? Cause I needed to say what the [!@#$%^&*] with today’s episode. 

As I wrote above, I am pretty sure that this is an April Fool's episode.

When today's show started I figured that the scene with Eric, Nicole and Daniel was a dream.  Now I assume that this entire show is an April Fool's episode.  

What a wonderful tribute to Donna Messina on yesterday's show.  Naming Sonny and Carly's baby after her was a really nice touch. 

And I enjoyed listening to Sonny's monologue.  He was quite obviously talking about the real life Donna Messina, even as he was ostensibly describing a person from the old Bensonhurst neighborhood.  Great job by Maurice Bernard.  

What a wonderful tribute to Donna Messina on today's show.  Naming Sonny and Carly's baby after her was a really nice touch. 

And I enjoyed listening to Sonny's monologue.  He was quite obviously talking about the real life Donna Messina, even as he was ostensibly describing a person from the old Bensonhurst neighborhood.  Great job by Maurice Bernard.  

On 4/3/2010 at 9:13 PM, Eric83 said:

I wish Deanna Wright had stayed in the role of Kay.

 

That girl was FIERCE.

Deanna Wright was definitely the best Kay, IMO.  She was to Passions what Sami Brady was to DAYS.  She was definitely fierce, but like Sami she could show you her vulnerability.  And I still remember when Charity was trapped in hell and Kay realized that she had to draw the line at some point so she finally went to the closet and tried to pull Charity out.  

I thought Taylor Anne Mountz was kind of one-note but she did have her fans.  She also had good chemistry with Lena Cardwell, the first Simone (who should never have been fired IMO).

I know people like to rag on Heidi Mueller but I thought she did well with what the part had evolved into.  She made Kay into more of an adult than she had previously been.  She actually showed Kay dealing with the difficulties of life while working in the cannery.  And she made Kay and Miguel remotely believable, even if it was still a stretch.

Gina Marie May is the often-forgotten temporary replacement when TAM abruptly left the show.  She wasn't too memorable but she did have one good scene.  It was a rare Kay/Theresa scene.  I finally found it on youtube.  There was very little interaction between them over the years, even though Maria was their shared family.  There should have been more scenes with them.  It is interesting to imagine this scene if it had been played by TAM, who had left 8 days earlier.