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30 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I think you have a fair point. Maureen was essentially just used to make Roger look better. Ellen Parker and Michael Zaslow and the scripting team made it work. If Maureen had lived I think she probably would have ended up changing her views considering how much Roger was regressed as a character by the mid-90s.

Oh, to have Maureen for the Peter saga....

On 4/16/2024 at 12:48 PM, Althea Davis said:

I am literally getting goosebumps watching 1982! THIS SHOW IS ON FIRE.

Have you found a good playlist of '82 episodes in English? I've been stitching the year together from clips and random episodes mostly. The German episodes are good to fill in, but the translations are awkward at best. I found an episode in German of Carrie going off on Vanessa, and whatever Carrie says scares the bejesus out of her.

I understand that point of view, and the value of those kind of connections. But in this specific case, Roger really was doing villainous things, and Maureen never got the full tea. Granted, I don't think they really ever did much other than have Maureen occasionally give the occasional grace to Roger or try to reel someone back from obsessing over him. But when she comes back from the country club and says "I feel dirty", yadda yadda---all I can think is that she's never had Roger screw with her life for his own gain.

I recently rewatched the buildup to Alex's takedown of Roger. I found myself getting mad that Maureen was so willing to give Roger the time of day. After everything that he'd done to all these people she knew....ugh.

44 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

It's probably even more dramatic, as you at least had Jeanne Cooper for continuity. 

I've said this so many times now, but much as I adore Ross Marler and Jerry ver Dorn, in no logical soap world is a 5-year character the elder statesman of a 45 year old show.

I'm not disagreeing, athough I thought Ed split those duties. Or maybe would have, if Peter Simon hadn't been so ...Peter Simon.

In some respects, the changeover is almost as dramatic as when Bill Bell switched the focus of Y&R from the Foster/Brooks  to the Newman/Abbotts. 

It didn't strike me at the time, but on GL's last episode, Maeve Kinkead is the actor who'd been there the longest (aside from the cameos by Maureen Garrett and Lisa Brown).

5 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

On YouTube, click the gear icon next to the CC button, select subtitles, select German (auto-generated), select Auto-Translate, and then English. Of course, it's not a perfect transcript.

 

@rsclassicfanforever was 1990 not aired in Germany, or you just didn't have it?

 

Thanks @FrenchFan for the recaps!

OMG---thanks! 

I don't suppose there's some way to get the transcript on youtube to convert to English? I know what's going on for the most part, having dug out a hodgepodge of clips in English, and just knowing the history, but I've never wished I was conversational in any language as much as I was now. lol

Oddly, the Nola/Quint wedding is entirely in English. As is singing. 

On 4/9/2024 at 6:22 AM, Althea Davis said:

I wanted to say a huge thanks to @rsclassicfanforever who uploaded Guiding light in German from 1982 to 1992 on his youtube channel. 

I just found that channel and didn't know about it... and I've started the 1982 episodes... COMPLETELY IN LOVE with the show.

Thank you!

 

THANK YOU

OMG!! Thanks for posting. It's episodes I'd been searching for. They exist! 

BTW, does anyone remember if they really explained how Trish and Vanessa knew each other? I gathered they were friends, and from bios it says that Vanessa called Trish to bring her to Springfield because of Andy Norris. But I haven't found any context.  LOL...I'm semi-obsessed with messyVanessa.

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

It's one of the main reasons we come here to talk and speculate. The thought of what might be.

We could just say everything on ATWT was great, the show is gone, and all just stop posting, I guess. 

IKR?? 

1 hour ago, adrnyc said:

I don't understand what certain posters on this board need to hear in order to understand that P&G has made it perfectly clear they have zero interest in their soap opera history. Where's the mystery?

It's just a wish and a hope...geez. I think we all know there's zero chance that P&G will do anything with their library. They've always been the last to come to any kind of pop culture wave. They've probably just learned about a little channel called "Hallmark".

Assuming that The Gates actually gets off the ground (I'm not certain what "in development" obligates them to), P&G should make a splash and honor their history in soaps. They could stream some truly classic soap episodes from their library. I'm not sure if that's even possible, with residuals, etc. but it would be nice of them to pay back some of the loyalty their viewers showed them for decades. 

There's nothing so frustrating as missing episodes on youtube. I'm watching GL from the '80's and while you're thankful for what you can find, missing that crucial episode is a bummer.

Did everyone remember Don Hastings birthday on April Fool's? He turned 90. 

It's weird what you think you "remember" vs what actually happened. I could've sworn that Vanessa backed over Reva in the summer, that she was alone behind the wheel and that Reva was practically about to give birth. Instead, Reva barely seems pregnant, it's in the middle of winter (on a set that looks like it cornered the market on fake snow that year) and it's actually Billy in the driver's seat fighting with Vanessa as the car shifts into reverse.

I was watching some early '80's episodes. In it, Mike has a flashback of a fight on a ski tram. What is that about? 

Other notes---I'd forgotten that they developed a relationship between Vanessa and Quint. It's not overly warm, but it's not entirely antagonistic either.

Vanessa's hat game is fierce. It's very Dynasty-inspired.

1 hour ago, Mitch64 said:

Ha...Zombie Mo breaking in the kitchen door to eat Lillian! It is weird...when other soap characters die its a "Oh, I will never recover " and next week everyone, including their lover has moved on...even when real people die their characters like Bert, Henry, H.B. its an episode or two and then move on, but this one was like real life...Nadine tells Bridget that the mayor was their, etc... So yea, I think they made it so intense that they were screaming "This is permanent, like in real life." 

I was watching a few scenes after the funeral...Blake telling Holly to get her ass together for this, Van forcing Lillian to get her ass inside so people won't talk and it would be all about the scandal and not Mo...and Bridget and Nadine in the attic...everyone had a brain and a heart (even Nadine is not acting as goofy as she did when Buzz returned...) and I forgot GL was so damn good at that time...plus I love Bridge's line to Nadine in her funeral dress "Nadine, my God, what happened to you, did you get hit on the head and suddenly get taste?"

LOL...I LOVE Vanessa giving Lillian those marching orders. It's no wonder that Ellen Parker won the emmy that year. Between reading Ed and Lillian for filth, and telling Vanessa she was done with listening to Ed's litany of excuses after the third affair in their marriage, I doubt anyone else came close.

Well, since I had completely forgotten there were lyrics, no. But even after hearing them, all I can remember is "hold on to love"..

JFC...is Maureen's death is like two solid weeks of misery. I mean, it's great misery. But I can't recall any soap ever wallowing like that before or after. And they damn sure never ran pictures of the character during the entire credits crawl. I don't know if that's respect for the actress or making sure all the doors are locked and bolted.

LOL...the '83 intro reminds me that the Lewises' showed up and existed before REVA. 

I like the melody. I must have forgotten there were lyrics to it. It's not very deep, that's for sure.

19 minutes ago, robbwolff said:

I believe the singers were Roberta Flack and the late Billy Chinnock, whose song "Somewhere in the Night" had been the final theme song for Search for Tomorrow.

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Does anyone know who sung "Hold on to Love" at the end of the September 23, 1992 episode? I think it's Roberta Flack and someone, but I can't find it on google.

While I agree the vets could have been better used (lol, it warms my heart to think Wagner didn't want to be in scenes dispensing advice to that lame brain Katie...) I don't think they were misused as badly as some do. 

23 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

Keep in mind the times. In the 50's and 60's  soaps pushed the narrative that womens' fulfillment came through marriage and children. That was their domain and major concern. So the wellbeing of their children was paramount. Husbands seemed to have a lesser say but older male figures either folksy types like Pa Hughes and Papa Bauer or successful worldly types like Judge Lowell were to be revered.

 

Exactly. That narrative exists well into the 70's as well. One of the stressors in Bob and Jennifer's marriage is the fact she *gasp!* wanted to continue her nursing career. 

1 hour ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Okay, which day in May '91? I gotta go see. 

I looked forever trying to find the date of An Alex dinner party that had Bev with the best departure line, which was, "Will someone please pass the damn salt to Beth?! 

lol...the episode is 5/14/91. Although I guess i oversold it a bit, it's one soap opera day that she puts it all together, starting 5/10.

Granted, it's not a calendar year. I was a little iffy on when Johnny departed, because what I'm catching some eppys aren't around (sigh--huge bummer when you're into a story).  

Watching May '91, and in literally ONE episode, Alex is hit with three revelations--that Mindy miscarried Roger's child, that Alan-Michael and Henry have uncovered Roger's embezzling, and that Roger has another son. People rave about her blitzkrieg at the Country Club, but hearing Bev McKinsey growl "I want to rip out his lungs..." is FABULOUS. 

Wow...I'd forgotten GL had such a mass exodus. In a little less than a year, they lost Reva, Josh, Philip, Beth, Rick, Johnny, Chelsea, and recast Alan-Michael with Rick Hearst. While Johnny and Chelsea are negligible, there's a lot of history tied up in the other characters. Major upheavals like that usually leave shows floundering.

On 2/29/2024 at 8:12 PM, Althea Davis said:

Guys how do you rate the seasons from 1999 till the end. What are the good ones and the stinkers...? I am asking... for a friend. Lol.

Like all shows, it had highs and lows. I think it was better than some would give it credit for.