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23 minutes ago, Khan said:

I can see it now:

THE GATES

Written by

MICHELE VAL JEAN

SUSAN DANSBY

CHARLOTTE GIBSON

LYNN MARTIN

MICHELLE PATRICK

(...and probably Jamey Giddens).

Jamey Giddens' first move would probably be to add a Greg Rikaart/Leo-like character.

HARD PASS.

Why the f#ck is Abby being nice to Phyllis???

JFC.

Putting The Gates between Y&R and Bold is classic tentpole programming. For that reason alone, I think we get Y&R followed by The Gates followed by B&B.

I've mentioned The Talk a couple times, but not because I'm a fan. I watch it only when someone from Y&R appears. It still pulls between 1.2M and 1.5M viewers a day and is cheap to produce, so I wouldn't assume it's a goner.

-- I love it that The Gates and soap operas are trending on social media. This kind of attention has to help its cause.

-- If we get The Gates, I want it 5x a week.

-- As far as scheduling, if The Gates is a 30-minute show, there's no reason The Talk can't pull back to 30 minutes.

2 minutes ago, Errol said:

Balls in your court ABC...you know GMA3 is not long for this Earth.

I hear you about GMA3 and shows like The Talk, but we all know how cheap those shows are to produce. Their budgets have to be so much smaller than soap budgets.

I love this for another reason. I think THE GATES could make the remaining soaps up their game.

Michele Val Jean can be the Shonda Rhimes / Ava Duvernay of daytime, reinvigorating soaps across the board. It's big news that P&G is again in the game and behind this project. I think that gives it a much better chance of getting to air.

As for GL and ATWT, let's not get out ahead of our skis, OK? Get THE GATES picked up and we can talk after that.

17 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

@ranger1rg

All the actors you mentioned are all about their bodies and not acting skills.

Carter scenes during Sheila death were laughable. Talking about his sources and sh!t was just bad.

Andrew Shue was adorable as Billy. I can't believe what's her name cheated on him. Crazy! I'd have him in bed all day!

Your point about the actors I mentioned is exactly my point. Shredding Tanner Novlan when the other acotrs in the cast are no better doesn't make sense to me.

And yeah, you're right about Andrew Shue hehe

40 minutes ago, 1974mdp said:

OMG...I had never thought of that, but you are so right! Finn is to B&B what Billy was to MP.

And really, that's enough. Anyone who watched Melrose Place remembers Billy and Andrew Shue. He was no Emmy winner, but he was solid, and he was perfect for the character.

I hesitate to keep this discussion going, but I think the Tanner Novlan criticism is overboard. Calling him a "basic white boy" and "Wonderbread" is cringe, especially since BOLD is a show FILLED with actors who are no better than TN.

Delon DeMetz (Zende) is no better than Tanner Novlan. Lawrence Saint-Victor (Carter) is no better than Tanner Novlan. Joshua Hoffman (RJ) is no better than Tanner Novlan. I don't think any of them are any more intriguing than Novlan.

I've already stated that I don't think TN was good in the scenes that needed heavy emoting. Also true? I've yet to see the other actors I mentioned be good in any scenes requiring that heavy emoting.

Bottom line is that I think it's more than fine to judge TN's or anyone else's acting in a story/scenes. I don't think it's fair to pull this "basic white boy" bullsh*t.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

He could board with Maggie at the Kiriakis mansion.  Everyone else does lol

LOL Yeah, just have all these random people move in with Maggie and have her act like she knows what's going on -- while we all know she's clueless and a lousy judge of character.

Tripp and Wendy are so damn boring that I don't have the words.

17 hours ago, Beachstorm said:

I know they're trying to send a message of hope to all people who struggle, but come on. Connor has EVERY single symptom and anxiety associated with OCD. It was a bit of an overkill.

He's supposed to be away at a boarding school who treats kids with anxiety disorders or something. Yet it took months for them to notify the parents? Naw. Did they just make all of this up so this kid actor could get some scenes? (Btw, I love this young actor. Judas "something").

Complete overkill -- which will most likely be over in a week.

I saw posts on Facebook commenting about how glorious this episode was -- how much it taught us, how real it was, how good the acting was. All exaggerations, as far as I'm concerned.

The entire buildup to this was offscreen (like so many Y&R stories). I cannot care about Connor's OCD if I see none of it until he plays with a toy on the psychiatrist's coffee table.

The entire scene with the therapist sounded like Chat GPT wrote it. Full of therapy-speak with simple answers from Connor that led her right to the next question. Judah Mackey was OK as Connor, not great. He was passable.

Once again, Josh Griffith wrote an Emmy bait episode, and I'm not here for it. If you want to know the future for Connor, study the past. In short order, JG will forget about Connor and his OCD will be dropped into a few scripts after that, until we don't hear about it any more.

7 hours ago, Liberty City said:

• And I need guns / violence to stop on this soap, please!

-- Shouldn't there be 24/7 security and police presence on those Port Charles docks??? There's not only crime there, but people are SHOT there ALL THE TIME. It's absolutely absurd.

-- I've avoided commenting on Adam Harrington as Jagger Cates, even though I really disagreed with all the negative comments here.

Of course he doesn't look like Sabato, so it was a WTH moment when he first appeared. But it was immediately clear that he's a solid actor, and after a couple days I was fine with Harrington in the role. Now I can see his chemistry with Maura West and potential ties to other characters, and I hope PM and EK keep him. Jagger does not have to look like AJS.

20 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I think Jackee is probably just more comfortable doing the comedy and OTT stuff because that's what made her famous.  Or maybe it's a bit like Deidre Hall and she just settled into a campy style for whatever reason.  It could even be the lack of direction, vibe, or fast pace of soaps now.  I'll have to look up some of her work on AW though.

Jackee most definitely settled into a 24/7 campy style. On AW, you can recognize that camp and see Jackee in her, but it's much more nuanced and subtle at times.

I found a compilation clip on You Tube. The quality is lousy, but you can still see Jackee without the camp and exaggerated faces.

5 hours ago, carolineg said:

I don't think Jackee is a great dramatic actress at all.  I think she's much better at comedic or OTT moments.  I am pretty used to her delivery now, so the Marlena/Paulina scenes were fine to me, but I still don't think this type of material is Jackee's strong suit.

 

Jackee was actually a really solid dramatic actress when she appeared on Another World in the mid-'80s as Lily Mason.

She was only about 30 then, and I don't know what's happened since. She's good with the comedic stuff, but the serious stuff is not landing at all.

17 hours ago, Althea Davis said:

Ok, so I will have to say it. Tanner was insanely bad in the last couple of episodes and anyone could see it.  But Bold has always had male actors that are at the level of porn-acting. Bold thrives with male actors so cringey... when they always had some of the best ladies to compensate. 

I just think they could have somehow... changed the dialogue a bit, so that Tanner won't sink in it, like he did. They gave him stuff, that they knew are going to look absurd. So I again blame the writer. Not the actor. They should have knows his limits. 

Also I don't see a reason to start comparing actors. If someone says that A can't act... it's kinda petty to start talking about B. This is focus-changing and a technique to make something stop looking so bad. But in 2024, It makes even more apparent that A can't act and that you are defending them. There is no reason to defend. Nobody is attacking him. We all like him and his body and face. And we all know Tanner is here because he is a great looking man and has charisma. But I completely understand @Liberty City's opinion and the others too. I myself was scared to say it, since here we have something like a cult following and I don't want to trigger people, who are easily triggered. Never my intention. 

But IF YOU WANT TO compare - KKL has never been Susan Flannery, but she can act circles around Tanner Novlan. That little tear from the left eye has legends written about it. She has survived for nearly 40 years in the business *most seasons acting in more than 200 episodes a year - lead storylines*and has had moments where she has ACTED near the level of the greats. She is not the most consistent one, but she rarely gives the level of cringe Tanner gives... or Ronn gave.

Tanner could have played a perfect Thomas Forrester, if Ronn Moss was still around, they would have looked so related.

 

So there's no reason to compare, but let's compare??? OK then.

I think the problem is saying Tanner (or any actor) can't act based on particular scenes. I agree that TN wasn't good with the heavy emoting. The faceplay didn't work at all. Still, I think he's a good actor, and he's proven that over the years.

I also disagree that there's no acting in commercials.

Look, I love KKL, but if I isolate her scenes with Thorsten Kaye, I can make a case for calling her a bad actor. I can call out the lack of chemistry and not blame it all on her. I can call out her not selling the romance and for not making a bland script work. I can call out her sing-song voice and her vocal fry. I don't do any of that because KKL is more than her scenes with TK.

Hope, talking about Steffy: "I'm just in shock that she took her husband's birth mother's life."

Who talks like this?????

Looks like no one wanted to stand on either side of Laura Wright.

So exciting to see Mariah.

So exciting to hear about how well her work is going with Sharon's company. So exciting to hear that Aria is doing so well after her hearing operation.

Offscreen plot is so exciting.

10 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Here's the thing-Eva La Rue is a decent name for a soap.   She has had a very successful career.  I am not expecting her to be the most woke, articulate person in the world on a local tv news interview.  I can see why it could be taken offensively, but I really don't think that was her intent or goal.  She's giving a view on a fictional character, not her own personal views.   I had my objections to this casting and this role, but even I don't see why there is an outcry here.

I literally said I don't want to cancel LaRue or near it.

I don't think this is that big a deal, but it was brought up here for discussion, so I commented on it. We've discussed even less important topics with a lot more outcry than this. I think words matter, and all I'm saying is that Eva LaRue stepped in it during that interview.

If GH is going to tackle gay issues and relationships, I don't want some sugar-coated bullsh#t. I'm fine with Natalia being homophobic. That's real, that's life.

But don't set her up as anti-gay and then feed me some line that she's just upset her daughter didn't share everything with her.

This goes beyond what Eva LaRue believes in her own life or believes about her character. I'm hoping we get clarity when Mulcahey takes over and that GH doesn't take the easy way out.

1 hour ago, janea4old said:

This is the Eva LaRue article on soaphub
https://soaphub.com/general-hospital/news-gh/eva-larue-says-her-gh-character-natalia-is-not-homophobic

Soaphub is quoting from this ABC Channel 7 Chicago
interview here; which hopefully everyone can see at this youtube link unless it's geo-blocked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xwfoBpRSQM

That You Tube interview (from ABC Channel 7 in Chicago) DOES NOT "exonerate" Eva LaRue, and the Soaphub article DOES NOT distort what LaRue said.

In the interview, LaRue says her character "will be struggling with her daughter's sexuality." Sounds like homophobia to me.

Yes, she goes on to attribute that to a number of things, including her question as to whether Blaze's sexuality is a response to her being sexually assaulted by a man. Sounds like homophobia to me.

LaRue also says part of it might be attributed to Natalia's (her character's) ego. Sounds like homophobia to me.

She mentions Natalia is a "conservative Latina mom" TWICE. She never says it's a shock that her daughter would have premarital sex.

Eva LaRue is either protecting her character -- because she knows how awful homophobia is -- or she's ignorant and clueless as to how her explanation sounds. I don't want to cancel LaRue or anything near it, but I sure wish she was more woke when it came to sexuality.

Because this ain't it.

Donna, I agree with your point about Eva LaRue's interview. It's part of that "Hate the sin, not the sinner" defense, and I find it pathetic and disingenuous.

I'm not saying LaRue is homophobic or near it, but I think her comment displays a lot of ignorance. She'd have been better off saying that we'll have to tune in to find out. You cannot call your character "conservative Latina mom" and then give her a pass on homophobia.

Not buying it. At all.

26 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

True, but YET so soap opera. 

I don't think it's good soap opera to have the romance just starting when the surrogacy also kicks in.

For me the egregious error is getting Kristina involved in a relationship AND a surrogacy at the same time. I just think it's ludicrous.

35 minutes ago, StevieM said:

Watching that scene, it felt like Spinelli and Sonny's relationship had regressed.  It was like the show was ignoring a good part of the progress they have made, all so that they could give a quick history lesson in advance of Jason's return.

Sonny had long since made peace with Spinelli and his oddities.  He sought out his help, independent of their shared connection through Jason.  He even counseled Spinelli at times, also independent of Jason.  And Spinelli was far more at ease around Sonny.  He reached a point where he felt he could approach him without fear.  He no longer called him "Mr. Sir" and I thought he even called him Sonny at times (although I could be wrong about that last part).

I also would like to point out how incorrect it was for Carly to say that Bobbie "knew not to chase revenge.  My mom never gave in to her worse impulses, she rose above them."  That wasn't always true.  Bobbie gave in to her worst impulses on many occasions.    

You've explained exactly what I'm worried about regarding Spinelli. I think we're heading for a regression, unless Mulcahey stops it in its tracks.

Also agree completely about Carly's opinions of Bobbie. No matter that Carly as a child didn't know Bobbie -- it was still obvious to anyone in Port Charles that Bobbie could be messy and then some. I hate it when they rewrite characters as having no flaws/saintly lives.

Does wardrobe hate Amanda Setton?