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It was funny seeing both Ellen Weston (who played Kay's enemy Suzanne Lynch in the late '70s), and Jeanne Cooper on last night's 1974 rerun of "The Night Stalker", episode "The Devil's Platform" on METV.  No scenes together though.

Nice to see a 1982 episode!  I recall I really hated the story with Claire.  It bored me to tears.  It was funny hearing Jill talk about giving the Abbott house a makeover.  Here we are about 40 years later and still no makeover.  Of course, we've all seen what can happen when TPTB try to makeover an iconic set.  The "upgrades" to the Newman and Chancellor sets were pretty disastrous!!

I just saw the promo for the Edward story climax, and was surprised I could actually see that clip again.  Someone should save that to the vault.  I really enjoyed that story because of how well the Edward actor played the part.  I recall one part of the story being an on-location shoot of Nikki and Edward going on a picnic, but don't recall the particulars.  I also recall his conversations with "mother"...  One of the creepier creeps in the history of Y&R!

I wish more would turn up about Victor's bomb shelter, Kay haunting Suzanne Lynch, Douglas and Derek's duel, among many others.

On 11/30/2020 at 12:47 PM, OzFrog said:

A nice retrospective from Doug Davison, including a rare scene with Erica Hope as Nikki...

 

Never thought I'd see any of these scenes.  What I'd really like to see at some point are the first scenes showing how the Williams family was introduced.

3 hours ago, BoldRestless said:

Since I couldn't put it on the vault here it is on YouTube:

 

 

So glad to see this, plus the other small number of complete '70s episodes in the vault.

I'm not a fan of modern-day Y&R.  That being said, I'd like to see Y&R switch to airing four new episodes a weeks, with Fridays being classic episodes only, hopefully going back into the half hour eps even, and simply piece them together, like they did with the first two.  As for the new eps, speed up the storytelling, and go back to the Bill Bell style of storytelling of moving things along, rather than being stuck in endless loops forever.

6 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Here she is! June 16, 1980 at 32:25

 

The 1980 clips never get old.  Wish I could see more from that year, plus late '70s and '81.

11 hours ago, janea4old said:

 

They took it all down.  I was afraid they would. 

Y&R started  Season 48 on Monday Sept 21.
 

CBS never keeps  Y&R episodes up from prior seasons, they wipe the slate clean.  Some deal with Sony distribution, I imagine.

The only prior Y&R episodes left on CBS.com are from Season 47, from the past week or two.  But by October those will be gone too.  They do this every September.  Even if you pay for All Access, you can't see Y&R episodes from prior seasons. 

 

The pandemic classics were an exception.

Also the official Y&R youtube account deleted all of its clips from the past year. They do that every September, too.

 

FRUSTRATING! 

 

Edit to add: CBS deleted everything like they do every September; but I wonder if they were supposed to  delete the classics or if that was accidental?

If they ever get smart and re-post classics for their subscriber service, I hope they'll be the full un-edited versions.  Not holding my breath though.

Any long-time viewers know if Vince (Rose's sidekick) in clips 124 - 126 is the same sidekick (and same actor) she had back in the late '70s?

15 hours ago, yrfan1983 said:

Now that most of the “Jack works at a homeless shelter” story has been posted in the clips, I’m curious – what are people’s impression of the story?

 

I watched the original airings as a teen and assumed that this story would be used to “humanize” / “redeem” Jack… but that didn’t wind up being the case… he just went back to his scheming dastardly ways in ’87.

 

Do you think this was just one of Bill Bell’s “summer social issue” stories... or maybe it was originally intended to redeem Jack but then later they decided to go another route… or…?
 

I think that was a story gimmick that was used from time to time, to redeem certain characters, and then have them get drawn back into their old ways (Victor was redeemed briefly when he went to Kansas / Kay's battle with the bottle and on-off feud with Jill).

As for the purge, I don't know if we can include Brock, since he left in late '86, but was basically swapped-out with Phillip Jr.  Brock returned in 1988 and stayed through 1992, then returned in 1999 before departing in 2003. He had appeared occasionally since then.  Matt Miller was more or less swapped out with the return of Douglas in early '87.  Michael Evans (Douglas) was a favorite of Ed Scott's as well as Melody Thomas Scott.

Oh, wow!  Deborah Adair briefly appears as Jill in 1986 clip 119.

Secondly...  Has anyone seen the “Stories Behind the Stories” videos that Doug Davidson posted a little ways back on his Instagram account?  The videos are broken into parts, and chronicle a lot of behind the scenes stuff that was going on during Doug's involvement with the Cassandra Rawlins storyline.  Interesting stuff.  Links below...

Episode 1:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAyKR0_AcRG/

Episode 2:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBWO3I1gFlW/

Episode 3:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBn3QQYBZ2T/

Episode 4:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CB5-cGNF6Yj/

Episode 5:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCLh0z3hUj-/

Episode 6:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCdiis-Bwna/

Episode 7:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCvhokrh2Gi/

Episode 8:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDBe6hyh9CA/

He also gave some background on the other actors involved in that story, including his TV parents Carolyn Conwell (Mary) and Brett Hadley (Carl).  He even posted a recent photo of Hadley, still going strong at 89...

7 hours ago, kalbir said:

Besides Cricket eating the show, there was Ashley's breakdown after aborting Victor's baby, Nikki's recovery from her illness that she hid from Victor, Katherine and Jill's custody battle over Phillip, Nina becomes pregnant with Chance, Paul and Lauren divorce, Lauren becomes involved with Brad, Jill hires Rex to woo Katherine; I think that covers the main non-Cricket 1987 stories. November 1986 had the EP change from H. Wesley Kenney to Ed Scott and June 1987 was the first of the big three late 1980s recasts when Brenda Dickson was fired and replaced with Jess Walton.

 

There was also what seems to be a slight cast purge during the second half of 1986 to through 1987, with the departures of Marla Adams, Colleen Casey, Alex Donnelly, Steven Ford, Lauren Koslow, Julianna McCarthy, Phil Morris, Robert Parucha, Jon St. Elwood, James Storm, Stephanie Williams. I wonder how much of it was Bill Bell running out of story for the characters and how much of it was Ed Scott doing some house cleaning.

Thanks for the history lesson.  I just vaguely remember a lot of it.

Well I see the '86 clips are still rolling along.  '86 was a good year for Y&R.  I wonder if we'll get into 1987...  I don't recall '87 being a particularly exciting year.  I just remember that Douglas returns, Matt leaves, Nikki fakes being ill, Rose comes back again, and then there's the whole Nikki & Jack / Victor & Ash story, but I really can't recall what else was going on.

4 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

Douglas shot him in the butt.  I believe the "witnesses" were Victor & Brock. 

Victor was serving as Douglas Austin's "second", and Brock was reluctantly serving as Derek's "second".  

Seems that Derek kept stepping in gopher holes as they walked out to the dueling ground.   Kay Chancellor was at home, waiting for the outcome.  She heard the shot, and then Derek came in with a butt wound.  

haha.  Nice!

47 minutes ago, Broderick said:

I remember when he came on.  It was in very late 1979 or very early 1980.  He was a professional thief.  Derek Thurston hired him to break into a safe, remove an audio tape, and substitute a new tape in its place.  

 

(The story was that Brock had recorded a private conversation between Derek and Jill, during which they professed their love for each other and talked about what a gruesome old bat Derek's wife, Kay Chancellor, was.  Brock gave his mother the tape and said,  "If you want to know how your husband really feels about you, here's a tape of him and Jill discussing you."  Kay didn't want to hear it and put in her safe.  Later she decided to listen to it.  Derek hired Douglas Austin to swap out the tape with a better version where Derek was babbling about what a wonderful wife Kay Chancellor was.)  Shortly after the show expanded to an hour, Douglas's role increased.   He stole $50,000 of "ransom money" that Kay Chancellor delivered to Suzanne Lynch to free Derek from a hoax kidnapping.  Then Douglas started courting Kay.      

I remember Douglas courting Kay, but nothing before that, so this is fun for me to read.  I recall the pistol duel between Douglas and Derek on the Chancellor Estate grounds (filmed outdoors, not on set).  I think Victor and Kay were there as witnesses.  I don't recall the outcome, but obviously both survived.

When Matt showed up in '85, that was at the same time Douglas left Y&R for a couple of years (as well as Jack & Katherine briefly absent).  I think Bill Bell brought Matt in because Victor suddenly had very few people in his world to talk to.  I always felt that Matt was the "Y&R payroll switch" for Douglas (Michael Evans moved on to a different soap for a while ~ Capitol?), and after Matt left, Douglas returned in '87, minus "Boobsie".  IIRC, Douglas and Matt never shared a scene together.

Looks like the uploader went back and corrected a few previous clips that had some bad tracking / interference lines. They look a lot better now. I noticed #070a, 070b, and 071a are new & improved versions.

23 hours ago, ltm1997 said:

I'm hoping this vault will bring forth people to upload episodes and/or edits from 1978-1980 concerning Kay and Jill and their storylines, and also both Erica Hope's and MTS's portrayals of Nikki. I, too, want to see scenes featuring Suzanne and Derek, together and separately. With the recent edits popping up, I'm certain there is someone out there that has stuff from '78-'80. Could you all IMAGINE getting edits surrounding Kay/Jill/Derek/Suzanne/Stuart/Liz and also Nikki/Casey, all from those years (especially 1979)? That would be such a DREAM!

The only problem is that the people who recorded back then are likely in their late 50's to 70's by now, many of which probably know very little about transferring and uploading tapes, but we can always hope.  VCR ownership wasn't really all that common until the early '80s too, and add to that, how many of them still own a working VCR, especially the BETA format, but again, miracles do happen.  

Summer '85 is also the time when Brock returned for a while, during a time when Katherine was "out of town" for a while, also when Terry Lester was absent for a bit.  Seems I recall they had Brock being friendly with Gina, Ashley & Jill, but they were all just friends.  Seems like he disappeared again about a year later, then made several more returns later on, some lengthy, some brief.

9 minutes ago, SoapDope said:

Speaking of Bill Bell's way of writing Re: Nikki. Someone once commented that Nikki interacted with each of the Brooks sisters at different times over the years, but it came across onscreen that Nikki didn't realize they were all sisters till much later. Which sounds strange. 

 

I would love to see Nikki and Greg's 1979 wedding in The Brooks house surface online. I have seen fragments of it. I remember bit scenes of Nikki coming into the living room and a bouquet of red roses and Nikki smelling them, Nikki looking at herself in the mirror getting ready, her walking down the aisle towards Greg, A bit of their vows, Casey and Nikki discussing her finally being happy at the wedding reception, and she and Greg drinking champagne as they are toasted. 

Why did they get married in the Brooks house?

3 minutes ago, YRBB said:

God DAMN was Cash Cashman a beautiful man. Too bad he dies just as the collection of clips begins. Wouldn't mind seeing his routine  

 

Lorie is everything. A goddess. 

Lorie went out on top.  Too bad she didn't stay longer.

3 hours ago, OzFrog said:

 

Victor & Jack scenes at Gina’s are in 61a. And it’s a fascinating exchange between the two.

Even though they both act as though they've met before, I don't recall ever seeing them interact before this point, unless it was something brief from long before this even.  It might just be set up that way, like they were already aware of each other in the business world.  As far as I know, these are the first scenes together on screen, unless someone recalls something earlier.

EDIT...  60b has what I think are probably some of the final scenes of the Foster house, well into late 1984.

So now it looks like we're getting into scenes of the Newman - Abbott worlds colliding for the first time.  In 1984 clip 060b, Nikki (substitute Nikki due to illness) is starting to get into it with Jack.  As I recall, Victor and Jack scenes came not long after that, and the rest is history.

7 minutes ago, OzFrog said:

Most recent 1984 clip (50b) is now up in the vault, and it’s still lead-up to the V&N wedding. It contains a really beautiful and well-written scene between Victor and Lorie, as well as some lovely Lorie and Julia scenes.

Also Casey Reed, Brock comes home (loved that scene), and Eve Howard.

1 hour ago, will81 said:

I definitely got the Y&R one from ebay at some point. This seems to be it, but it can't b the full magazine, so who knows what I did with it. I wish had I had taken better care of things. I'll post this to the FB group too

 

 

It was nice to look back on these photos / articles.  Question about Vanessa...  What was the deal with her veil, anyway?  To hide her scars from some accident or fire?  Was she wearing it from the beginning?  At some point, she stopped wearing it.  Did she supposedly have cosmetic surgery to improve her appearance?

39 minutes ago, FrenchFan said:

I am surprised how cheesy is the Tony DiSalvo thing. The room where he monitored Paul and Andy’s office looked like something from General Hospital. Didn’t think Bill Bell would do something so ridiculous.

Yeah, that was painfully bad writing with the booby-trapped office.  Glad they wrapped that story up in short order.

15 minutes ago, blueberrywaffle said:

Oh  It's just sad we don't get to see more of the Abbotts. It would've been nice to see more of Traci and Angela.

 

I was wondering, why do the older clips look so much better? It is hard to explain, but they look more like a "movie" and  more dark in some scenes. I think just the lighting looked better back then, and  now it looks more like a talk show for some reason. Maybe people prefer it how it looks now and I'm just strange for preferring the older look more? XD

I know what you mean about "older scenes looking better".  Today, with high-def cameras, there is almost way too much detail, for me at least.  I guess it's a personal preference.  Some sets look beautiful in high-def.  Others should maybe be a little less so and more mysterious.