Vee

And now she's directly attacking Michael and Sara. Nice.

I think Sara and co. genuinely hoped they could fix her. I thought they might be making it work. But some things you can't do with people who are too far gone. She needs serious help, but I guess she's always needed help.

As for enjoying the show again someday, I think so. I guess the good news is thus far Roseanne has no known serial rapists.

41 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I wouldn't be surprised  if Sara Gilbert avoids acting for good after this mess, but like Vee and others have said for the last few months, I do think Sara has given a very strong performance - certainly more than I would have expected. This could have come across as a vanity project for her but her work genuinely didn't, and the bits I saw were much closer to the Darlene of the first 4-5 years of the show, a character I loved, and a character who later became a bad self-parody. 

She really was the glue of the early episodes, especially with young Ames McNamara. She got me in the heart and she brought Roseanne's game up as well. She wasn't the same Darlene as when she was younger, either - she still had bite, but it wasn't all she had. She had matured. It does make me wish she'd consider a similar show elsewhere on her own.

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I'm glad that I got to see a DJ, Becky and Darlene that I would have wanted them to be (or close enough, anyway) and that I got to see Crystal one last time. No matter how much Roseanne ruined this show (over and over), at least she can't take that away from me.

I think Natalie West is pretty happy doing theater and living her life these days, per a recent interview. But yes, it was great to see her.

I'll watch the last few episodes eventually - I'm not ready to deal with this show again right now - but it'll be very bittersweet. So much potential and good work squandered by one ignorant person. I hope someday you watch them. It really had a lot going for it despite everything, but maybe it was an impossible situation from the start. And maybe my overly hopeful viewpoint was the same one Gilbert and co. held dear until it was too late.  I imagine it was the same for some at ABC - I don't believe it was all a cynical business consideration from Day 1, people like Dungey, Sherwood, etc. are still human beings and I believe they genuinely hoped they could bridge a divide, possibly bring Roseanne back from the brink, and make good TV and/or bank. Their immediate reaction to yesterday, as detailed in the stories upthread, indicates it wasn't just about advertisers for them.

That writer's story above - especially the last few answers about their intent being lost - is sad. Because that's what the show could've been, with a different Roseanne. Even just a newly arch-conservative Roseanne would not have been this Roseanne.

She is now RT'ing even more Valerie Jarrett conspiracy theories along with attacks on the cast - people who have stood by her for decades, people like Sara and Michael who stuck their necks out for her and have always been close to her. I wish I couldn't potentially see this ending one very specific, very sad way.

And since we're on SON, OLTL's own chimes in:

Thinking of production and crew involved.🙏🏽 But so proud of @ABCNetwork for doing the right thing! https://t.co/rLg2SySuzw

— David Fumero (@davidfumero) May 29, 2018

More details on yesterday:

Roseanne Confessed, Too Late, to ABC After Racist Tweet: 'I Was Stupid' https://t.co/oBLAAOe8tf pic.twitter.com/ChY2PjxTEZ

— TheWrap (@TheWrap) May 30, 2018

After having tweeted a racist remark and then apologizing for it on Tuesday morning, actress Roseanne Barr got on the phone with a group of executives who would decide her fate.

The group included her longtime agent John Burnham, her manager James Moore, Disney-ABC Group President Ben Sherwood and “Roseanne” executive producer Tom Werner.

 

They wanted to know something simple: what was she thinking in comparing former Obama advisor Valerie Jarrett to the Muslim Brotherhood and “Planet of the Apes” on her Twitter account?

 

Barr admitted that she was wrong. “I was stupid. Ignorant. It was a mistake. I feel terrible,” she told them, according to an individual with knowledge of the call.

 

But Barr did not seem to understand that her fate — or that of her show — hung in the balance. “She did not appreciate the gravity of the situation, for sure,” said the individual, noting that Barr dismissed her own remark as “comedian s—.”

 

Indeed, she seemed to think she could apologize and move on.

 

The ABC executives were hoping that Barr might have some better explanation for what they considered a wholly unacceptable remark — intoxication, a medical problem or maybe even that Russian hackers had taken over her account. Barr has since said that she was “Ambien tweeting” at the time.

 

Because in the absence of that, Disney and ABC executives knew quickly that they were not going to be able to move on from this exchange.

 

The top executives in charge — Sherwood, Disney CEO Bob Iger and ABC Entertainment President Channing Dungey — awoke Tuesday to learn that in the middle of the night the star of their number one-rated show had gone off on a rant against Chelsea Clinton, journalist Chris Cillizza and — bizarrely — Valerie Jarrett.

 

All agreed that the “Planet of the Apes” tweet was abhorrent, unacceptable. And after the group call with Barr, they circled up and discussed whether there was a punishment that would measure up to the offense, if there were steps Barr or the network could take to move forward.

 

There wasn’t.

 

“It was quite clear, calm, and … not nearly as dramatic as you’d expect,” said an executive with knowledge of the internal decision. “We canceled the number one show on television, but there was no wringing of hands, it was very clear and calm.”

More at the link.

Ugh. From a TV Line piece recapping the latest:

She also “liked” a supporter’s tweet that called her TV daughter Sara Gilbert a “backstabber” for not coming to her defense.

She is now blaming Ambien. She appears to have downshifted in mood and is suddenly retweeting rebuttals of all her horrible whatabout tweets quoted above (not that that excuses a thing). Granted, we've been saying it for like thirty years but this woman needs serious help.

Here's @therealroseanne's apology. pic.twitter.com/YWZ6i6WWq7

— Kate Aurthur (@KateAurthur) May 30, 2018

Of course, these things become your values when you let them. And she has done that many times in recent years.

14 minutes ago, Khan said:

I wish someone would figure out some way to keep the rest of the cast and crew employed.  Maybe "The Connors" isn't doable, but what about scraping together some pilot for a new series, or something?  

As I have said, I would welcome a CBS sitcom with Sara Gilbert and the boy who played Mark titled by another name. Darlene was a linchpin of the new season, possibly even more than Roseanne herself.

Oh God, she's still tweeting.

2. Roseanne has taken down the retweet above and in the meantime she’s retweeted this which is also fake. pic.twitter.com/WBZwhH1xD1

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) May 30, 2018

3. More retweets from Roseanne pic.twitter.com/u8G5bpZ5oU

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) May 30, 2018

>>>>> https://t.co/VtdsZslCnw

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) May 30, 2018

That's pretty good.

Yeah, she can keep it. She needs to take a good, long look at the rest of her life.

According to CNN, today was the BTS staff's first day back at work on Season 2.

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The view inside Disney, according to sources, was that Tuesday was the third or fourth time when Barr's tweets had presented a problem for ABC. This controversy was by far the worst yet.

 

Tuesday's racist and bizarre tweets were "unsurvivable," one of the sources said. "Enough was enough." [...] "There was no way to come back from this," one of the sources said.

 

[...]

 

Later in the day, an ABC executive expressed regret that more than 200 people involved in the making of "Roseanne" would be out of work as a result of the cancellation.

 

But the source pointedly blamed Barr, saying "that's the collateral damage that Roseanne has to live with."

 

Barr is said to be drafting a contrite statement, although it's unclear when or if she will release it.

Yeah, I forgot her as well. I also can't see the parents of the two child actors (especially Jayden Rey) allowing them to remain. Ames McNamara was so good, BTW. I hope he gets something quickly. That's another tragedy, losing Darlene and her son's dynamic and what was obviously planned to be a long-running thread with David continuing to recur.

I think it's a decision that speaks well to them, though, and maybe to the nation at large. There are still things we can't countenance and can walk back from. And frankly I suspect a lot of the cast and crew would've walked along with Wanda Sykes and Sandra Bernhard even if ABC had waffled. That was certainly the tone I got from Sara Gilbert's initial comments, and I can't see Laurie Metcalf or John Goodman being far behind. Those are all people who stuck with Roseanne day in and day out through all her craziness in the '80s and '90s, but this was too far.

I'll watch but I'm sure it's going to be very, very difficult for her.

Sandra Bernhard:

#Roseanne EP Tom Werner hopes Roseanne Barr “seeks the help she so clearly needs” https://t.co/9kj5DMKyqE

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) May 29, 2018

well, there's only one person to blame. https://t.co/q0nq72089h

— Sandra Bernhard (@SandraBernhard) May 29, 2018

oops, nvm

I will watch the rest of the episodes (uh.... somewhere) out of love for the rest of the cast and what they accomplished. At some point, not yet.

It's just such a waste. Both of the person Roseanne once was, and what the rest of them were trying and I felt, largely succeeding in doing with the new show. I want to buy Sara Gilbert a drink.

You'll be pleased to know I archived some similar reactions in the Roseanne thread.

I think the original Roseanne is one of the best situation comedies in TV history. I think the Roseanne of that era was a talented, complicated, very difficult person. And I think aspects of that person still do exist in Roseanne today, but not enough to countenance what the rest of her - like so many other men and women of a certain age or background like her - have inexplicably become. Too much is said and done to let the rest go anymore. What they say and do eclipses who they used to be.

In a strange way, this entire revival was a microcosm of what some of us have gone through as a country in the last year-plus - we've struggled to reconcile how former friends, neighbors, family have turned to what they have, just as Sara Gilbert, the cast and a predominantly liberal-progressive writing staff have done with a person they've known and loved most of their lives. We tried to find an imperfect place we could come together like we used to. And then, finally, something so unspeakable happens that we can't let it be anymore. It's awful and it's sad and it's ugly but we tear the page out and walk away.

ABC's head of scheduling! https://t.co/lnJ5qrWuOi

— Kate Aurthur (@KateAurthur) May 29, 2018

Today has been quite a month.

— Alexander Nazaryan (@alexnazaryan) May 29, 2018

2 minutes ago, juppiter said:

I'm sure she probably did much worse than this in the 90s, and we just don't know about it.

She didn't!

Like, if CBS wants to file the serial numbers off, hire Sara and Ames McNamara and call it "Diane"... I probably wouldn't complain. 

Yes. Sadly, I hope we're all ready for POTUS to spend the wee hours tweeting about Roseanne and ignoring pressing national and/or global business.

A few key quotes here from show personnel:

ABC also pushed back against claims that it canceled #Roseanne because of advertiser backlash https://t.co/dyWl0CScVW

— Vulture (@vulture) May 29, 2018