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  1. The next confirmed episode number is #8603, airing October 2, 1989, which is in the P&G Archives. 2 episodes need to have been pre-empted, and we know both of them:


    November 23, 1989: Thanksgiving

    November 24, 1989: Thanksgiving


    October 2, 1989 - December 8, 1989: 2 pre-emptions, both confirmed. Status: closed




    #8550, airing July 17, 1989, is everywhere (P&G Archives, ATAS-UCLA Television Archive, Museum of Broadcast Communications). 2 episodes were pre-empted, we know both of them:


    September 4, 1989: US Open

    September 8, 1989: US Open


    July 17, 1989 - October 2, 1989: 2 pre-emptions, both confirmed. Status: closed




    The March 20, 1989 episode is in the ATAS-UCLA Television Archive as #8465. That lines up perfectly, meaning there were no pre-emptions in between.


    March 20, 1989 - July 17, 1989: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed




    February 17, 1989 is in the P&G Archives as #8445, meaning there was 1 pre-emption, which we have confirmed:


    February 20, 1989: NBA Game (Houston vs. Cleveland)


    February 17, 1989 - March 20, 1989: 1 pre-emption, confirmed. Status: closed




    And then there is no confirmed number until November 3, 1987, nearly 1,5 years before. That episode is in the P&G Archives as #8120. There were 14 pre-emptions in between. We know about 10 of them:


    November 26, 1987: Thanksgiving

    November 27, 1987: Thanksgiving

    December 25, 1987: Christmas

    January 1, 1988: New Year's Day

    September 5, 1988: US Open

    September 9, 1988: US Open

    November 24, 1988: Thanksgiving

    November 25, 1988: Thanksgiving

    December 26, 1988: Extended Christmas Holiday? [confirmed in The Journal listings]

    January 2, 1989: Extended New Year's Holiday / Tournament of Roses


     For the remaining 4 pre-emptions, I have 5 potential contenders:


    December 19, 1988: possible pre-emption in this week as per @YRfan23? [listed regularly in The Journal]

    December 20, 1988: possible pre-emption in this week as per @YRfan23? [listed regularly in The Journal]

    December 21, 1988: possible pre-emption in this week as per @YRfan23? [listed regularly in The Journal]

    December 22, 1988: possible pre-emption in this week as per @YRfan23? [listed regularly in The Journal]

    January 20, 1989: Bush inauguration? [listed regularly in The Journal]


    Interestingly enough, I found absolutely nothing in the listings for that week about the inauguration. I did find that the Bush inauguration took place at noon. Since ATWT aired at 2PM, I'm wondering if the festivities would have been over by then? But that still doesn't account for the fact that the listings in The Journal didn't have anything at noon either. So possibly as mistake was made, in which case we shouldn't factor in the regular listing too heavily.  


    November 3, 1987 - February 17, 1989: 14 pre-emptions, 10 confirmed, 5 contenders. Status: open


  2. OK, we left off on June 3, 1991. Next up is January 8, 1991, which is in the P&G Archives (and Museum of Broadcast Communications) as #8920.

    This means 5 episodes were pre-empted in between. We know about these two for sure:


    March 14, 1991: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 15, 1991: NCAA Men's Basketball


    We have two potential candidates for the final three slots:


    January 9, 1991: Possibly pre-empted for Gulf War news coverage?
    January 17, 1991: Possibly pre-empted for Gulf War news coverage?


    January 8, 1991 - June 3, 1991: 5 pre-emptions, 2 confirmed, 2 candidates. Status: open




    December 20, 1990 is in the ATAS-UCLA Television Archives as #8910, which means 3 episodes were pre-empted in between. We know about all three of them:


    December 25, 1990: Christmas

    December 31, 1990: New Year's Eve

    January 1, 1991: New Year's Day


    December 20, 1990 - January 8, 1991: 3 pre-emptions, all confirmed. Status: closed




    July 30, 1990 is also in the ATAS-UCLA Television Archives, as #8812. This means 5 episodes were pre-empted. We have 4 confirmed:


    September 3, 1990: US Open

    September 7, 1990: US Open

    November 22, 1990: Thanksgiving

    November 23, 1990: Thanksgiving


    For the remaining pre-emption, we have one candidate:


    August 22, 1990: possibly pre-empted as per @YRfan23 [the episode does appear in the newspaper listings, so if pre-empted, this would have been an unplanned pre-emption]


    July 30, 1990 - December 20, 1990: 5 pre-emptions, 4 confirmed, 1 candidate. Status: open




    July 4, 1990 is also in the same archive, as #8794. This lines up perfectly, which means there were no pre-emptions.


    July 4, 1990 - July 30, 1990: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed




    June 15, 1990 is also in the same archive (and the P&G Archive, and the Museum of Broadcast Communications), as #8794. This lines up perfectly, which means there were no pre-emptions.


    June 15, 1990 - July 4, 1990: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed




    December 8, 1989 is also in the ATAS-UCLA Television Archive, as #8650. This means there were 4 pre-emptions. We know about three:


    January 1, 1990: New Year's Day

    February 19, 1990: NBA Afternoon Basketball Game

    May 28, 1990: NBA Eastern Conference Playoff Game


    I have one contender for the remaining pre-emption:


    December 25, 1989: Christmas [listed as pre-empted in the newspapers, but appears on 2 Youtube channels from a later SoapNet re-airing. Possibly dated wrong?]


    December 8, 1989 - June 15, 1990: 4 pre-emptions, 3 confirmed, 1 contender. Status: open



  3. Just found a lot more info on the collection held by the Jerome Lawrence & Robert E. Lee Theatre Research Institute, including a LOT of episode numbers!

    Unfortunately, many of them do not match up with the episode numbers we've previously established (particularyly those from the P&G Archives), and some of them don't even match up with each other. Some of the dates listed are even weekend days. 😧 I swear, I love working on this project, but sometimes it just gets extremly frustrating. 


    Sometimes, I wonder if this show actually had 13.858 episodes, or if that's just what some writers thought was the correct number.

    Anyways, you know I will be triple-checking all of these numbers against the previously "established" info. I'll let you know when I know more. 




  4. On 8/2/2018 at 3:01 PM, Paul Raven said:

    I have a question about Eileen Fulton's exit listed as NYE 1964, just a few months after her return (repacing Pamela King)


    I thought that when she returned she stayed on till May 65 and her move to Our Private World?


    On 8/4/2018 at 7:39 AM, Paul Raven said:

    May 3 1965

    Eileen Fulton's last ATWT episode before appearing on Our Private World


    Jan 16 1967

    Eileen Fulton's first day back as Lisa. Episode #2812



    The Lisa plot thickens... The Paley Center has an episode dated December 16, 1965, which they called "Lisa And Bob's Custody Battle".
    According to our info now, this would be in between Fulton's exit to do OPW (in '65) and her return (in '67). Interestingly, the cast list for the episode does not include Fulton or the character of Lisa.

    Was Bob involved in a custody battle with an offscreen Lisa? Did Fulton make an appearance during her break from the show? Did Fulton in fact return much earlier than we previously believed?

  5. On 7/31/2018 at 5:19 AM, Paul Raven said:

    Some information that may help

     As the World Turns was pre-empted August 13-15, 1956 because of CBS' coverage of the Democratic Presidential Convention.


    On 8/3/2018 at 5:03 AM, Paul Raven said:

    Ok, so I have some more info that may make things clearer.



    Mon, 1pm-approx 3pm

    Tue, 1-4pm

    Thu, 1pm-3:30pm 

    Fri, 1pm-3:30pm 

    all times subject to change


    Those were the dates /times listed so it appears ATWT was actually pre-empted 4 times that week unless there were last minute changes. This was in an industry newsletter, so a trusted source.

    EON would not have been affected as it aired at 4.30 pm.


    Also it appears ATWT was not pre-emped for over Thanksgiving.


    I just found a wonderful page with descriptions for 1956/57 episodes, coming from TV Guide issues. 




    However, this info seems to corroborate your first post above, not the second. It also states there actually WAS a Thanksgiving pre-emption.


    What do you think @Paul Raven? How are we to interpret this info? 


  6. 8 hours ago, kalbir said:


    The Olympics I remember CBS broadcasting were Albertville 1992, Lillehammer 1994, Nagano 1998. 1992 was the last year Winter Olympics and Summer Olympics were held in the same year, therefore no Winter Olympics in 1996.


    Monday February 20, 1989 and Monday February 19, 1990 were NBA Basketball afternoon games; those two dates were President's Day. CBS Sports coverage of NBA Basketball was 1973-1990. Two other NBA dates for your list: Monday May 27, 1985 and Monday May 26, 1986 were NBA Finals afternoon games; those two dates were Memorial Day. 




    I just checked the Wikipedia page for CBS Olympic Broadcasts, and apparently CBS covered it in 1960 (Winter & Summer), and then in 1992, 1994 and 1998 (Winter only). 


    They had the NBA rights from 1973 - 1990, so there might be a lot more there. I'm making a mental note to dive into that, try to find afternoon games and/or dates that were simultaneously holidays.


    May 26, 1986 seems to have aired, if it's dated correctly. May 1985 is wide open still, so it's possible.


    Thanks so much for your help!

  7. From October 2, we make our way to June 11, which is #9025 according to... the UCLA Library (I know... but this one will be backed up by the next entry, bear with me). There were 4 pre-emptions, and we know about two of them for sure:


    September 2, 1991: US Open

    September 6, 1991: US Open


    For the remaining two pre-emption slots, I have one potential candidate:


    August 20, 1991: Reason unknown, but could have been pre-empted according to @YRfan23 [listed regularly in historical newspapers, so if pre-empted, would have been an unplanned pre-emption]


    June 11, 1991 - October 2, 1991: 4 pre-emptions, 2 confirmed, 1 candidate. Status: open




    So, the reason why I trust that UCLA-based date is that only a few episodes earlier, on June 3, we get to #9019, which is in the P&G Corporate Archives (as well as the Museum of Broadcast Communications). That one matches up with #9025, so there would not have been any pre-emptions.


    Of course, there is a slight chance the June 3/#9025 combination could be off, but either way, we are looking for 2 more pre-emptions in between June 3 and October 2.


    June 3, 1991 - June 11, 1991: 0 pre-emptions. Status: closed

  8. From December 10, 1991 onwards, the next checkpoint is October 2, 1991, #9102, which is in the P&G Archives and therefore a non-UCLA source. 2 episodes were pre-empted, one of which we know for sure:

    November 28, 1991: Thanksgiving


    For the remaining pre-emption, I have 2 potential candidates. Both episodes are listed as airing in the newspapers, but there could have been unplanned pre-emptions:


    October 9, 1991: dual Baseball game??

    October 11, 1991: Clarence Thomas hearings?? 


    Out of the two, the CT hearings seem a more likely candidate, as the dual Baseball game would have surely been planned and therefore appeared in the listings? But now I'm speculating and I try to do as little of that as I can.


    October 2, 1991 - December 10, 1991: 2 pre-emptions, 1 confirmed, 2 candidates. Status: open




    Since the UCLA dates in the last few posts got a bit messy, here is this entire period between non-UCLA checkpoints:


    October 2, 1991 (#9102) is in the P&G Archives, as is November 10, 1992 (#9381). In between, there were 10 pre-emptions. We know about these 9: 

    November 28, 1991: Thanksgiving

    December 25, 1991: Christmas

    December 31, 1991: New Year's Eve

    January 1, 1992: New Year's Day

    February 17, 1992: Olympics

    March 19, 1992: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 20, 1992: NCAA Men's Basketball

    September 7, 1992: US Open

    September 11, 1992: US Open


    For the remaining pre-emption, we have these two candidates:


    October 9, 1991: dual Baseball game??

    October 11, 1991: Clarence Thomas hearings?? 


    October 2, 1991 - November 10, 1992: 10 pre-emptions, 9 confirmed, 2 candidates. Status: open

  9. 11 hours ago, kalbir said:

    I think this might be CBS Sports coverage of the Lillehammer Olympics.


    I think this might be CBS Sports coverage of the Albertville Olympics.


    CBS Sports' last Olympics was Nagano in 1998. If CBS did pre-empt the weekday daytime schedule for coverage of the Nagano Olympics, the most likely date would be Monday February 16, 1998, which was also President's Day.


    I have the February 16, 1998 episode as pre-empted! Thanks for filling in those blanks for '92 and '94. What about '96? The only Monday I have left that could possibly be pre-empted is Monday February 26, 1996. Do you happen to know if that matches up with the Olympics? 

    Do you know when CBS Sports coverage of the Olympics began? I have Monday February 19, 1990 pre-empted as well. In 1988 I have no info on any of the February Mondays. In 1986, however, all of the February Mondays seem to have aired for ATWT.

  10. 2 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

    thank you for alerting me to this fabulous resource. 


    You liked that? 


    Procter & Gamble Television Script Collection:



    The Irna Phillips Papers:

    http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=wiarchives;cc=wiarchives;q1=as the world turns;rgn=main;view=text;didno=uw-whs-us0076an


    Guide To The Community Life TV Soap Operas Collection:



    As The World Turns Collection:



    William And Lee Bell Collection Of Scripts For Television Soap Operas:



    Ahh, if only I lived near one of these places...

  11. I stumbled on something interesting while I was doing some research for the episode list. The contents of the Bridget & Jerome Dobson Papers, a collection held in Wisconsinhttp://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi/f/findaid/findaid-idx?c=wiarchives;cc=wiarchives;q1=as the world turns;rgn=main;view=text;didno=uw-whs-mss01082


    The whole page looks like a wealth of information, but I was particularly interested at some of the character names included. April Montgomery? I wonder if this list includes characters that were created, but ultimateley never used. At least I have never heard of the name April Montgomery before. I guess she could have been Bart's sister or his new wife?


    These are the characters I have never heard of before. Does anyone have any info on any of these? Did they actually appear on the show?


    Garth Basnum

    Barney Hollister (Brad and Eric's father? I believe their other brother was named Stan?)

    Jace Hutchinson

    April Montgomery

    Skye Sullivan (Cody's mother? sister?)

  12. OK, the next bit gets a bit tricky, so bear with me. I want to take you through the thinking process, but if you want the short version, skip to the section on the bottom of this post...


    We left things at August 3, 1992 (#9312). The next number I have is #9177 on January 20, 1992, which is also in the UCLA Library. Trying to connect those two numbers tells us that 5 episodes must have been pre-empted in between. We know about 3 of them:


    February 17, 1992: Winter Olympics Coverage [thanks @kalbir for confirming]

    March 19, 1992: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 20, 1992: NCAA Men's Basketball


    For the remaining 2 pre-emptions, we unfortunately have no leads:


    January 20, 1992 - August 3, 1992: 5 pre-emptions, 3 confirmed, 2 unknown. Status: open




    The next confirmed number, also from th UCLA Library, is #9149 on December 10, 1991. This would mean that only 1 episode would have been pre-empted in between December 10 and January 20, yet I have 3 pre-emptions confirmed:


    December 25, 1991: Christmas

    December 31, 1991: New Year's Eve

    January 1, 1992: New Year's Day


    December 10, 1991 - January 20, 1992: 1 pre-emption, yet 3 confirmed. Status: system failure




    However, if we combine these two sections, we find that in between December 10 and August 3, a total of 6 episodes must have been pre-empted and we have exactly 6 pre-emptions confirmed. Therefore, it seems like either the date or the number is off for the #9177/January 20, 1991 entry in the UCLA Library. Now, this is a bit of a slippery slope, as both of the other episodes used for reference (August 3, 1992 and December 10, 1991) come from the UCLA Library as well. If this one entry is off, who's to say the others are correct? So, in my next post, not only will I tie the December 10, 1991 episode to the next non-UCLA checkpoint, but I will also tie that checkpoint to November 10, 1992, which was the last non-UCLA checkpoint we've encountered. 


    December 10, 1991 - August 3, 1992: 6 pre-emptions, all confirmed. Status: closed




  13. Two tidbits:


    On 10/10/2019 at 3:29 PM, adrnyc said:

    I’m currently watching 1990. Either the episode on YouTube for Tuesday February 20th is labeled wrong or the show was pre-empted on Monday February 19th. The Tuesday February 20th episode picks up immediately from where Friday February 16th ended. I know you’ve been trying to figure out where some pre-emptions occurred. That may be one of your missing spots. Or, as I said, ATWST might just has the wrong date on that episode. Either way, I hope the information is helpful. Thanks for all the work you’ve put in to this project!


    I just found that February 20, 1990 is indeed listed as pre-empted in the historical listings. Thanks again @adrnyc for putting me on this trail. I believed it already, but it's nice to see it confirmed!

    I have also just added the Christmas pre-emptions to the post above, but in researching those dates I came upon an issue that I'd like to ask your help on. 

    There is an episode named "Christmas 1989" on Oakdalian's channel, as well as on the AsTheWorldStillTurns channel under 12 25 89. It is one of the classic episodes that aired years later on (I believe) SoapNet, as end credits have been added to the episode in the 90s style, which unfortunatly makes it more difficult to date the episode (as Dan Region's voice-overs usually provide a hint).


    However, I have just found out that December 25, 1989 is actually listed as pre-empted in some of these historical newspapers. Now, I know these listings are never a 100% certain, but the ones I've found so far have been very reliable. They largely match up with pre-emptions I had known about previously. There are probably a number of pre-emptions that don't appear in these listings (as they were unplanned), but I doubt it's the other way around. If a pre-emption appears in the listings, I doubt it would have aired instead. 


    Long story short: I have a semi-credibly source confirming that the December 25, 1989 episode was pre-empted. I'm now wondering if the date on that episode could be wrong. Oakdalian only has it as "Christmas" not "December 25", and I could imagine AsTheWorldStillTurns having assumed that to mean December 25.


    So, the question that arises: Is it possible that this episode aired on a different date? Maybe December 26? December 22? Would anyone be able to shed some light on this?


  14. All right, so we've made our way backwards to May 12, 1995 and episode #10000. The next (going backwards) confirmed episode number is #9932 on February 3, 1995, which is in the collection held by the UCLA Library. To make the numbers work, 2 episodes need to have been pre-empted in between those dates. And indeed, we have both pre-emptions verified:


    March 16, 1995: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 17, 1995: NCAA Men's Basketball

    February 3, 1995 - May 12, 1995: 2 pre-emptions; 2 confirmed. Status: closed




    The next era is a big one. Episode #9548 aired on July 12, 1993, and is held by the P&G Corporate Archives. In between these two dates, there need to have been no fewer than 25 pre-emptions. Of course, this is the O.J. Simpson era (which actually also includes a lot of random, one-off, not-O.J.-related pre-emptions), so who knows if we will ever get to the bottom of this one. I have 10 pre-emptions confirmed currently:


    September 6, 1993: US Open

    September 10, 1993: US Open

    November 25, 1993: Thanksgiving Thursday

    December 24, 1993: Christmas Eve

    December 31, 1993: New Year's Eve

    January 17, 1994: Northridge Earthquake coverage

    February 1/2, 1994: "The Bell Tower" was re-broadcast on the 2nd, because it had been pre-empted in parts of the country

    February 21, 1994: Winter Olympics Coverage [thanks @kalbir for confirming]

    December 30, 1994: Extended New Year's Eve holiday

    January 2, 1995: Extended New Year's Eve holiday


    In addition, there are 5 pre-emptions that, although unconfirmed, seem highly likely:


    March 17, 1994: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 18, 1994: NCAA Men's Basketball

    September 5, 1994: US Open

    September 9, 1994: US Open

    November 24, 1994: Thanksgiving Thursday


    Even with those pre-emptions included, we still need 10 more dates. I have the following written down as potential candidates:

    September 13, 1993: Oslo Accords signing? [listed as airing, but could be an unplanned pre-emption?]

    June 30, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    July 1, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    July 4, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    July 5, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    July 6, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    July 7, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    July 8, 1994: O.J. Simpson?

    November 25, 1994: Thanksgiving Friday??? [seems highly unlikely, as Thanksgiving Friday aired in '93 and '95]

    January 24, 1995: O.J. Simpson opening statement?


    Unfortunately, 1994 is pretty much the one year that is largely missing from my historical tv listings sources. I'm also sad to find magilla71's YouTube channel has gone missing, as they were systematically uploading '94 episodes, which were being dated in the comment sections. 


    July 12, 1993 - February 3, 1995: 25 pre-emptions, 10 verified, 5 highly likely; 9 potential candidates; 1 highly unlikely. Status: Open




    But for some good news, following that frustrating period: The next five (smaller) cases have been closed.


    "Jelinda's Theme" debuted in episode #9437 on February 3, 1993 ("The World Turns On And On" was last seen the day before in #9436), which means 2 episodes were pre-empted:


    March 18, 1993: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 19, 1993: NCAA Men's Basketball


    February 3, 1993 - July 12, 1993: 2 pre-emptions, both confirmed. Status: closed




    Episode #9381 aired on November 10, 1992 and is held by the P&G Corporate Archives. 5 pre-emptions are needed, all have been confirmed:


    November 26, 1992: Thanksgiving Thursday

    December 25, 1992: Christmas

    December 31, 1992: New Year's Eve

    January 1, 1993: New Year's Day

    January 20, 1993: Clinton inauguration


    November 10, 1992 - February 2, 1993: 5 pre-emptions, all confirmed. Status: closed




    The UCLA Library holds the September 8, 1992 episode, which is #9337. 1 episode was pre-empted, and we know which one it is:


    September 11, 1992: US Open


    September 8, 1992 - November 10, 1992: 1 pre-emption, confirmed. Status: closed




    The UCLA Library also holds the August 24, 1992 episode, which is #9327. 1 episode was pre-empted, and we know it:


    September 7, 1992: US Open


    August 24, 1992 - September 8, 1992: 1 pre-emption, confirmed. Status: closed




    And it doesn't end there, the library also has August 4 (and 3), which is #9313 (and #9312). Those numbers line up perfectly with the previous ones, which means there were no pre-emptions in between.


    August 4, 1992 - August 24, 1992: no pre-emptions. Status: closed




  15. 18 hours ago, Brolden said:

    It seems safe to assume (but it's still only assuming!), therefore that November 23, 1995 is our missing pre-emption, and that the show aired on November 24, 1995 (Following this logic, it then also seems reasonable to assume the Thanksgiving Friday aired in '94 as well, but we'll get to that).


    I just looked over some notes I took a while back on the collection held by the Paley Center, and it turns out they actually have the November 24, 1995 episode in their collection (title: Carly And Rosanna Are Rescued From A Burning Car).


    Firstly, this means that Thanksgiving Friday aired in '95, much like '91, '92 and '93. It therefore seems extremely likely that Thanksgiving Friday would have aired in '94 as well. 


    Secondly, that means I now have only one (strong) suspicion for our one remaining pre-emption: Thursday November 23, 1995 (Thanksgiving). Since Thanksgiving Thursdays were pre-empted all through the 90s and beyond, it seems like we have connected May 12, 1995 to March 18, 1997. I sure wish I was able to confirm that final pre-emption though. 


    I should probably also mention that there is one slight issue with the numbers as I've figured them so far. I believe I have mentioned this before, but the Scrapbook includes a behind-the-scenes look at the making of an episode, which is said to be #10155, and said to have aired on December 22, 1995. By my current count, #10155 aired on December 20, 1995, while #10157 aired on December 22, 1995. Since the Scrapbook contains many errors, and the alignment of that date and episode number contradicts all my other sources, I'm considering this to most likely be a mistake. However, I'm still keeping it in the back of my mind to check with later findings. 

  16. Having said all that, I am, as I said, currently working on a major overhaul of the list. This time, I am working my way backwards. Since so little is known about the early years, it just makes more sense to use the final episode number (#13858) as a reference point. 

    I'm sorry if what I'm about to do sounds a bit like a monologue, but I want to document the steps I take to provide clarity for myself and others. I've done this before in the ATWT discussion thread. What I will do is I will cut the list up in smaller pieces, to see which ones I can already connect and which individual episodes provide the biggest question marks.


    For the final 13 years of the show, there is a lot of material around. As a result, I have every episode confirmed (either because it's on youtube, or because there are recaps around somewhere) from 1998 onwards. The first episode (going backwards) that I do NOT have confirmed is the March 17, 1997 episode. Therefore the first period is:


    March 18, 1997 - September 17, 2010: 131 pre-emptions, all confirmed. Status: closed.


    Going backwards further, the first confirmed episode number we encounter is May 12, 1995, which is #10000. If I count every weekday between May 12, 1995 and March 18, 1997, the latter would be episode 10482. Since we have connected the 1997 episode to the final episode number, we know it must be #10466, meaning there were 16 pre-emptions in between. I have 15 of those 16 pre-emptions confirmed:


    September 4, 1995: US Open

    September 8, 1995: US Open

    December 29, 1995: Extended New Year's? [confirmed from an episode]

    January 1, 1996: New Year's Day

    March 14, 1996: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 15, 1996: NCAA Men's Basketball

    September 2, 1996: US Open

    September 6, 1996: US Open

    November 28, 1996: Thanksgiving

    November 29, 1996: Thanksgiving  

    December 31, 1996: New Year's Eve

    January 1, 1997: New Year's Day

    March 7, 1997: President Clinton news coverage [episode was re-broadcast on March 10]

    March 13, 1997: NCAA Men's Basketball

    March 14, 1997: NCAA Men's Basketball


    That leaves 1 other pre-emption. I have 2 more suspected pre-emptions: Thanksgiving Thursday & Friday 1995. 


    Here's where I went wrong before: I didn't have the US Open '95 or the NYE '96 confirmed at th time, so I was looking for 4 more pre-emptions. Since Thanksgiving and US Open both seemed like pairs, I assumed that those four episodes were pre-empted, while NYE '96 aired. I now know it didn't. 


    When we check the Thanksgiving pre-emptions above, we'll see that the Thursday was always pre-empted from the early 70s onwards, while there was a period in the mid-90s when the Friday actually aired.


    It seems safe to assume (but it's still only assuming!), therefore that November 23, 1995 is our missing pre-emption, and that the show aired on November 24, 1995 (Following this logic, it then also seems reasonable to assume the Thanksgiving Friday aired in '94 as well, but we'll get to that).


    May 12, 1995 - March 18, 1997: 16 pre-emptions, 15 confirmed, 1 assumed. Status: open




    25 minutes ago, jam6242 said:

    @Brolden There would not have been an NCAA basketball pre-emption in 1956.  The tournament was held in March and the show premiered in April.


    Haha, oops, excellent point. I'll amend that. I'm reasonably sure that the tournament was only broadcast on CBS from '91 onwards anyway. 😉 

  17. All right, so as mentioned, I'm currently working on a major overhaul of the entire list. There is a wealth of information to be found in these historical newspapers, if you know how to look for it. One thing I've realized is that I've previously been a bit too hasty to assume a number of 'regular' pre-emptions. Turns out they were a lot less regular than expected. Especially the Thanksgiving pre-emptions, which I had long considered to be a given, proved a revelation. Here's a quick overview:

    NCAA Men's Basketball 

    (assumption: Thursday & Friday pre-empted from 1991 onwards)


    1957 - 1989: unknown

    1990: confirmed as airing on Thursday & Friday

    1991 - 1993: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday & Friday

    1994: unknown

    1995 - 2010: confirmed as pre-eempted on Thursday & Friday


    US Open

    (assumption: Monday pre-empted from 1976 onwards; Friday pre-empted from 1982 onwards)


    1956 - 1967: unknown

    1968 - 1975: confirmed as airing on Monday & Friday

    1976 - 1977: confirmed as pre-empted on Monday, airing on Friday

    1978: unknown

    1979 - 1981: confirmed as pre-empted on Monday, airing on Friday

    1982 - 1987: confirmed as pre-empteed on Monday & Friday

    1988: Monday unknown, confirmed as pre-empted on Friday

    1989 - 1993: confirmed as pre-empted on Monday & Friday

    1994: unknown

    1995 - 2010: confirmed as pre-empted on Monday & Friday



    (assumption: Thursday pre-empted 1966 - 1969 and 1973/1974 - 2010; Friday pre-empted 1982 - 1990 and 1994/1995/1996 - 2010)


    1956 - 1965: unknown

    1966 - 1969: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday, airing on Friday

    1970 - 1972: confirmed as airing on Thursday & Friday

    1973: unknown

    1974 - 1979: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday, airing on Friday

    1980: unknown

    1981: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday, airing on Friday

    1982 - 1990: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday & Friday

    1991 - 1993: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday, airing on Friday

    1994 - 1995: unknown

    1996 - 2010: confirmed as pre-empted on Thursday & Friday



    (assumption: pre-empted from 1978 - 1992 and 1997 - 2008)


    1956 - 1959: unknown

    1961 - 1964: unknown

    1967 - 1970: confirmed as airing

    1972 - 1975: confirmed as airing

    1978 - 1981: confirmed as pre-empted

    1984 - 1987: confirmed as pre-empted

    1989: confirmed pre-empted in listings, yet appears on YouTube; possibly dated wrong?

    1990 - 1992: confirmed as pre-empted

    1995 - 1996: confirmed as airing

    1997 - 1998: confirmed as pre-empted

    2000 - 2003: confirmed as pre-empted

    2006 - 2008: confirmed as pre-empted

    2009: confirmed as airing


    New Year's Eve

    (assumption: pre-empted from 1990 onwards)


    1956 - 1959: unknown

    1962 - 1965: unknown

    1968: confirmed as airing

    1969: unknown

    1970: confirmed as airing

    1971: unknown

    1973 - 1975: confirmed as airing

    1976: unknown

    1979 - 1982: confirmed as airing

    1984: unknown

    1985 - 1987: confirmed as airing

    1990 - 1993: confirmed as pre-empted

    1996 - 1999: confirmed as pre-empted

    2001 - 2004: confirmed as pre-empted

    2007 - 2009: confirmed as pre-empted


    New Year's Day

    (assumption: pre-empted from at least 1968 (possibly earlier) onwards, with the exception of 2004)


    1957 - 1960: unknown

    1962 - 1965: unknown

    1968 - 1969: confirmed as pre-empted

    1970: unknown

    1971: confirmed as pre-empted

    1973: unknown

    1974 - 1976: confirmed as pre-empted

    1979 - 1982: confirmed as pre-empted

    1985: unknown

    1986 - 1988: confirmed as pre-empted

    1990 - 1993: confirmed as pre-empted

    1996 - 1999: confirmed as pre-empted

    2001 - 2003: confirmed as pre-empted

    2004: confirmed as airing

    2007 - 2010: confirmed as pre-empted


    I'm working on Christmas pre-emptions as we speak. Will update with that info soon.

  18. 10. Amanda Woodward Parezi Burns McBride Blake McBride Burns (Heather Locklear)


    Long before I started watching Melrose Place, I had heard of Amanda Woodward. She is one of those characters that truly became a bigger pop culture phenomenon than the show she hailed from. And while I have already argued that to say that Amanda/Heather single-handedly saved the show is a bit of an oversimplification, there is definitely no denying that she played a huge part in it. In many ways, this show turned into Amanda's show, with the other characters just living in it. I have to say that made me resent the character a little bit before she was ever even introduced. I had gotten into a show about 8 twenty-somethings, none of whom was named Amanda, while the rest of the world seemed to think of Melrose Place as synonymous with Amanda Woodward. I was fully intent on not liking her... But then she was introduced. And I was sold. I can't remember precisely, but I think I was sold pretty immediately. 

    I loved Amanda as a foil in the Billy/Alison romance I liked so much. Certainly a much better adversary than Keith. Much as I loved Billy/Alison, I liked how Billy seemed like a fish out of water opposite Amanda. I loved her career-mindedness. I vividly remember when she was pregnant and didn't want people to know because she's be treated differently at work (side note, but I would have loved for SOMEONE to remember Amanda's S1 pregnancy when she got pregnant and AGAIN lost the baby in S7). Amanda and Jake were OK together, and worked as part of the Amanda/Jake/Jo triangle in S2. And then Peter was introduced. I remember feeling like Amanda had met her match. Both Billy and Jake had seemed out of their league with Amanda, but here was a guy that could keep up with her. I will go into the mid-S3 twist involving Jasmine Guy in the upcoming Peter post, and I know that many of you loved it, but suffice it to say here, that it feels to me (both at the time and in hindsight) like a storyline written during a writer's strike, that just seemed completely out of place with the rest of that season. I actually pretend it never happened (that's the only way I can buy Peter's return and Peter/Amanda's reunion). I was never a big fan of the brief Michael/Amanda romance.

    Upon Peter's return, Peter/Amanda quickly joined Billy/Alison and Jake/Jo as my favorite couples on the show. The Jack Parezi reveal was interesting (and although I'm not a fan of his politcal views, Antonio Sabato, Jr. was perfect in the role), but Bobby became real boring real fast. I was never a fan of Taylor, but the mystery regarding her "history" with Peter was entertaining. It's a shame she caused the couple to break off. But then there was Kyle. And something unexpected happened. So often, I, like many of you, am dead-set on a certain couple, and won't accept anyone else. I think it's an attribute to a show when they can sell a character from a popular pairing in a different pairing. Much as I loved Peter/Amanda, I grew to love Kyle/Amanda almost equally. Part of it was that it was built slowly, while the two characters were sidelined by the much more prominent developments between Peter and Taylor. By S7, when they had Kyle/Amanda together, but were heavily teasing Peter/Amanda, I was wondering what it had been like for fans at the time. Were they divided into "team Peter" and "team Kyle". I'm actually surprised to find little love for Kyle/Amanda so far. In the end, I think I was always still hoping for Peter/Amanda to end up together. I think Amanda always needed someone who could keep up with her a bit more, and Kyle needed someone who he could settle down with. But the disintegration of that marriage was surprisingly touching. 

    One thing I regret is that the show didn't explore Amanda's family further. I didn't care for Palmer much, but there's no way I believed him to be actually dead without a body. I loved Linda Gray as Hillary, and was hoping to see her again after Models, Inc. had crashed and burned. It's interesting that David was mentioned, but never seen on MP. They could have either brought Brian Gaskill on MP, or even recast, since the character was still a bit of a blank slate. I get why they didn't focus on her family more, because Amanda was always so independent, but I still would have liked it. The other thing I regret is that her company, which was the result of her careermindedness, completely sank at the end of S7. I can't imagine Amanda not running her company. And to have that happen at the hands of Lexi, who was never actually seen doing any advertising, was an insult.  

  19. Updated:


    On 8/9/2018 at 9:06 PM, Brolden said:

    1984 9 26 Wednesday   pannoni 8

    ^ Newly available


    On 9/23/2018 at 2:02 PM, Brolden said:

    1996 3 27 Wednesday #10220 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 9/23/2018 at 2:02 PM, Brolden said:

    1996 7 9 Tuesday #10294 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 10/21/2018 at 12:47 PM, Brolden said:

    1999 10 8 Friday #11107 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 10/28/2018 at 12:00 PM, Brolden said:

    2000 10 11 Wednesday #11362 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 11/4/2018 at 12:38 PM, Brolden said:

    2001 10 30 Tuesday #11622 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 11/18/2018 at 12:13 PM, Brolden said:

    2002 4 4 Thursday #11727 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/2/2018 at 5:07 PM, Brolden said:

    2003 5 21 Wednesday #12011 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/16/2018 at 1:02 PM, Brolden said:

    2005 2 21 Monday #12454 Soapclassics / AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/16/2018 at 1:02 PM, Brolden said:

    2005 3 7 Monday #12464 Soapclassics / AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/16/2018 at 1:02 PM, Brolden said:

    2005 9 14 Wednesday #12597 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


  20. 9. Jo _____ Reynolds (Daphne Zuniga)

    I have a confession to make: There are two reasons why I originally started watching MP. The first is that I'd been watching Beverly Hills, 90210 up to the point where it spun off, and I figured I'd check out what Kelly, Steve, David, Donna, and Jake would be up to in the spin-off. The second (although really the first) reason was that I love One Tree Hill, and I'd really enjoyed Daphne Zuniga on that show to the point where I wanted to check out her other major televsion role.


    You know, the popular story is that Heather Locklear saved this show. I wouldn't even say that's totally incorrect (more on that in the next post). But like some of you have argued, it was really multiple things coming together that saved this show. Certainly, Marcia Cross and Laura Leighton did their parts. But I would argue that it all started with the arrival of Daphne's Jo halfway through Season 1. She was just such a breath of fresh air. I absolutely loved her layered perfomance of Jo as the tough chick with a heart of gold and a ton of insecureties. And, like many others and as I have mentioned previously, I absolutely loved Jake & Jo. I always felt that they both really brought something unique to that relationship and they really complemented each other well. 


    Unfortunately, the same can not be said for her other love interests. As a matter of fact, Jo is the third female regular (following Jane and Alison) that, in my opinion, really suffered from being put with terrible male love interests. First, there was her husband Charles "Brett Cooper" Reynolds. Obviously, he represented her past and was specifically meant to be a terrible love interest. One thing that bothers me to no end, however, is that Jo went by "Reynolds" for the rest of the series. We never even learned her maiden name. With Jane, I can still sort of imagine that she'd keep Michael's name, as she had used it to make a name for herself in the fashion world. But why on earth would Jo keep going by the name Reynolds? I believe Jo dated Parker for a bit in S2, but I don't think that pairing was any less terrible than the Parker/Alison one. Reid turned into a psycho real fast. Jess was probably even worse. Or maybe Richard was the worst? I didn't fully hate Dominick, but I absolutely didn't like him, or their pairing, either. 

    One thing that I did appreciate is the time in between Reid and Jess, when Jo was on her own and dealing with the pregnancy and the baby. The rivalry with Kimberly was amazing, and when Jo finally decided to give up the baby, it was quite heartbreaking. I also really love the way Jake was there for her as a friend during that time. Another thing I found fascinating was the gun. Storylines like those are always a bit jarring for me as a non-American, but it's really interesting how they seemed to be addressing the polarizing gun issue (with some of our favorite apartment inhabitants being really against Jo's owning a gun, but Jo really relying on it), which seems ahead-of-its-time. I believe DZ has been outspoken in favor of gun control on social media in recent years, so I wonder how she looks back on those stories. 

    Someone remind me: did we ever meet Jo's father. I remember he was involved in some capacity when Charles followed her to L.A., but I think it was just in the shape of phone calls, without us actually seeing him? I would have loved to have seen him brought in later on. The scenes where Jo spoke about her mother's death were always quite touching to me. As I said in the previous post, I was completely unprepared for Jo to be gone after season 4. Since she was one of the later additions, I had expected her to stick around a bit longer. Even when she left for Bosnia with Dominick at the end of S4, I fully expected her to back in S5. It was while the opening credits to S5 were rolling that I realized I'd seen the last of her. It's a shame she was on the show for such a short time. I also think it's a shame that she wasn't mentioned much after she left (at least as far as I remember).   

  21. Oof, sorry it's been a minute guys, it's been a crazy week.


    I'm really happy to hear my posts are making you all want to rewatch the show. Hell, your responses are making me want to rewatch the show, and I have only just finished it.


    8. Dr. Michael Mancini (Thomas Calabro)


    Let me start by saying that I have the utmost respect for Thomas Calabro for being the only cast member that stuck with the show from beginning to end, and I appreaciate the character of Michael for the same reason: being the constant on the show. I remember reading that tidbit while I was in the middle of (I think) S3, when everyone was still there (save for Sandy and Rhonda), and just thinking it must have been a mistake. (I also started thinking then that characters like Amanda, Jo, Sydney and Kimberly would be used to fill the void, so when Jo left before anyone else even did, I was quite shocked).


    I've hinted at it before, and I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I wasn't the biggest fan of Michael. I liked him somewhat better during the earlier seasons, but even then, I wasn't a big fan. I'm always very fascinated by characters that are supposed to be "the villain" or "evil", because there are so many different types. I never thought of Michael as pure evil, perhaps not even a real villain. He was just an unsympathetic, morally bankrupt character. But here's the thing: a few years ago, I started thinking about th concept of "love to hate". There are some characters that within the universe of the story, you absolutely want to strangle. But as a viewer, you are rooting for that character to keep being brought back, you are a fan of the actor. On Melrose Place, I think Kimberly is probably the best example of this kind of characters (I suppose Amanda had her moments as well, although she was perhaps written too sympathetically to really embody this). When she appeared in that courtyard with that remote control, I simultaneously wanted her to press that button and to not press that button. When she appeared on that beach outside Michael's place, I cheered. When Michael appeared on the screen in one of his antics, I usually just rolled my eyes.


    Even in those earlier seasons, I felt like his storylines often went a bit over the top, although it was a far stretch from the cartoon character he would become later on. One of my biggest issues was that those he had victitmized the most kept letting him back in. Jane returned to him twice. Sydney's life would have been so very different (although perhaps less interesting) if she hadn't been obsessed with Michael so very long. I can't for the life of me figure out why Matt kept being his friend to the end. By season 6/7, he would be invited to bachelor parties, for characters that he had barely interacted with, even though he was not living in the building. Speaking of the later seasons, I was glad they finally introduced his mother in season 6, but I feel like they didn't really squeeze any story out of that potential. Since Michael was such a macho, I would have been interested to see his father as well, and thought it was a missed opportunity he was never seen. I'm not sure, but I would swear that a brother was mentioned at some point in S1/S2, but I guess with the introduction of Jennifer (and the precedent of Jane's brother being turned into a sister), they might have changed that backstory.

    One thing I will say: they really did keep me on my toes when it came to Michael's endgame. Since Michael and Jane were the resident couple at the start of the series, I was originally expecting them to go through a lot during the series, but end up together in the end. Even when Michael had his affair, I was expecting them to move past it and stay together. When they did break up and paired Michael with Kimberly, I started thinking that those two would end up together (they certainly seemed made for each other) and that Jane was permanently through with Michael. Unfortunately, I had seen promotional material of Kimberly in later seasons, so I never bought into her death. I never bought Sydney as endgame for Michael, nor did I buy Jane's brief return to Michael post-accident, and that time when Michael and Amanda were together has always felt (both at the time and in retrospect) really strange to me. By the time Michael and Kimberly got back together after the bomb, I was fully expecting them to be endgame. Then Jane and Kimberly both left (well, Jane left and Kimberly died) around the same time in S5, and Kimberly hand-picked Megan to be her successor. Since the only two women I had ever bought as endgame for Michael were now gone, and Michael and Megan seemed quite isolated from the rest there for a while, I started thinking she would be his endgame. When they spent nearly all of S6 apart, I kept expecting them to return to each other in the end. It wasn't until Ryan was introduced that I realized Megan was definitely not ending up with Michael. Although Michael spent most of S7 with Jane, I didn't buy them as endgame (I would have actually been very pissed if they had been). It was around this time, halfway through S7 that I accidentally found out Michael would be with Lexie at some point (in this thread, actually, that's the spoiler I mentioned in my original post months ago). Although I hadn't seen them together yet, I immediately realized that that pairing would work, which was confirmed when I did see them together. I went into the finale fully expecting them to end up together, only to be proven wrong one last time. I'm not mad that they didn't end up together. Neither of them is the type for forever. But Michael's final scene with that slutty nurse, although it made sense for the character, was extremely eyeroll-inducing.    

  22. On 9/16/2018 at 1:55 PM, Brolden said:

    1995 4 18 Tuesday #9982 John Dauer's debut


    On 9/16/2018 at 1:55 PM, Brolden said:

    1995 7 27 Thursday #10054 Claire Bloom's exit


    On 9/16/2018 at 1:55 PM, Brolden said:

    1995 7 31 Monday #10056 "This is Dan Region, inviting you to join us again Monday" -- Lynn Milgrim's debut


    On 9/16/2018 at 1:55 PM, Brolden said:

    1995 11 2 Thursday #10122 Orlena's Exit, Day 3 -- Oakdalian -- Lynn Milgrim's exit


    On 10/7/2018 at 1:23 PM, Brolden said:

    1997 3 4 Tuesday #10459 Soapcentral recap -- Lewis Arlt's (Judge Shaw) exit


    On 10/7/2018 at 1:23 PM, Brolden said:

    1997 8 15 Friday #10573 Soapcentral recap -- Emmy Rossum and Hilary Scott's (Abigail's friend) debuts


    On 10/14/2018 at 1:49 PM, Brolden said:

    1998 9 14 Monday #10840 AsTheWorldStillTurns -- Jordana Brewster's exit


    On 10/14/2018 at 1:49 PM, Brolden said:

    1998 12 4 Friday #10896 AsTheWorldStillTurns -- Barbara Garrick's (Rita Renfield) debut / Keith Coulouris' debut?


    On 10/14/2018 at 1:49 PM, Brolden said:

    1998 12 24 Thursday #10909 Soapcentral recap -- Cassandra Creech's debut


  23. On 11/4/2018 at 12:38 PM, Brolden said:

    2001 9 24 Monday #11596 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 11/4/2018 at 12:38 PM, Brolden said:

    2001 11 8 Thursday #11629 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 11/4/2018 at 12:38 PM, Brolden said:

    2001 12 26 Wednesday #11660 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 11/18/2018 at 12:13 PM, Brolden said:

    2002 8 5 Monday #11814 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/2/2018 at 5:07 PM, Brolden said:

    2003 2 6 Thursday #11939 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/2/2018 at 5:07 PM, Brolden said:

    2003 8 11 Monday #12069 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/9/2018 at 12:09 PM, Brolden said:

    2004 10 12 Tuesday #12364 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim

    2004 10 13 Wednesday #12365 AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 12/16/2018 at 1:02 PM, Brolden said:

    2005 4 28 Thursday #12500 Soapclassics / AsTheWorldStillTurns / munecojim


    On 1/29/2020 at 4:01 AM, Paul Raven said:

    April 12 Anjelica Torn debuts as Kit (Lily's prison inmate)


    April 12 was a Saturday

    On 1/31/2020 at 6:37 AM, Paul Raven said:

    April 16 Maura West's debuts as Carly


    April 16 was a Sunday

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