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Does anyone know the show's plans for Roger/Holly/Amanda and the arrival of at least 1 Black Spaulding before Zaslow and then his replacement were let go? 

Did anyone find a definitive answer in regards to whether characters moved from Selby Flats to Springfield or if the show magically changed locations? I realized Fran Myers was there, and if she's on social media, she'll know the answer

GL Brent, for reasons some of u have already said. Killing Nadine was never ok, especially when he kicked her body in the river, and of course I knew that once her body surfaced, she would have to be identified by dental records or DNA, not something you want to happen to a beloved character. However, we knew that when new writers/producers come in, people would be written out, so there was a sense of most any character could get killed off, which heighten the drama. Him switching Lucy's hiv test to positive was never ok. I also remember Buzz making fun of how ugly Marian looked, and this was him believing she was a woman. The story was dark and disturbing yet I'll admit that I was glued to the screen

17 hours ago, Lujack4Ever said:

That last guy to play Alan Michael I don't even consider him the same character....he was so far removed from Hearst's portrayal. Felt the same way about NuMallet. He felt like a completely different character. It didn't help that he came back and didn't mention Julie once. He felt like he had zero ties to anyone.

Not only did he not mention Julie, but he ends up with Dinah, who killed Julie's first love Hart, and not a peep from her. She needed a short term return, which would've added realistic complications to Dinah and Mallet. Even more had Dinah's siblings had learned their sister murdered their uncle, while trying to kill the mother of their cousin RJ. And Peter returns, not just mad at Dinah, but also Dinah's mother Vanessa who helped her escape justice. The same Vanessa sharing custody of Peter with Bridget. And having 1 or 2 of Dinah's siblings turning against her makes her realize that she should focus on being a great older sister to her sibs, which would help undo some of the damage Rauch did to her turning her psycho. All of which causes more complications for Ross and Blake, more realistic than a romantic triangle. The show had so many lay ups but instead of going for the easy basketball shot, they decided to play football instead 

I remember we were told that Grant Aleksander was let go, then blind items ran about a recently fired actor whom some of his leading ladies had issues working with him. I could swear Beth Chamberlain and another actress said that what was said about him wasn't true. And then when who killed Philip ran on for eternity, Carolyn Hinsey said in an article that it seemed as if the show always planned to bring Grant back, but didn't tell it to him at the time so when they told him that he was rehired, he said no thanks, and the show didn't know what to do so they continued the story, which wasn't supposed to run that long. Someone if not her said something about Days firing people, killing off their characters, but then were unfired and they all returned, but GL did it with one actor and he didn't return. Don't  know if it's true but I read somewhere that they wanted to keep him in villian mode and it was part of the problem. I wonder if a lot of what Alan did was supposed to be Philip

With the backlash the show received after killing off Maureen, the best way to get angry fans watching again would've been bringing back Mike and Hope Bauer. They'd ease back in while helping Ed and Michelle deal with Maureen's death, and helping wayward grandson/son Alan Michael. Mike and Ed would talk about how Ed became their father Bill. The press, while covering Maureen's death would bring up Ed cheating on her in the past, which leads Michelle to learn she is Claire and not Maureen's daughter (I believe she was only a toddler when Claire left), and Blake helps to comfort her by telling her that she was led to believe Ed was her father for years, and would really move into the role of her older sister. Mike checks up on Lilian, making things more uncomfortable, the brief revisit of Ed/Holly/Roger, goes on longer, Ed tells Nadine that she owes Bridget for taking advantage of her in regards to baby Peter, and Nadine's redemption begins there, as she is also in the Bauer sphere. Alexandra returns and she and Mike becomes chummy again, and then position everyone where they need to be for Alan's 1994 prison release. Also, had Alan Michael and Gilly ended up together, after a slow build and them really having time to become a couple, the arrival of Victoria and a son, could've ultimately led to a triangle, with that son possibly still coming to terms with having white blood inside of him, and him and Gilly being treated differently by some, clashes with his mother over this, and too many Spauldings and Vanessa engaged in power struggles over Spaulding enterprises is a hell of a lot better than what we actually got.

Part of the problem in 1993 is the stunt casting. Joe Lando was part of that. SOD named him being on the show, worst limited run I think. They began the article by saying whoever thinks stunt casting is the way to get ratings up, do not know soaps. I figured the writers would have stories carefully plotted with characters we love, but Jill telling them that she just hired so and so, this is when they begin, contract length, and when to write them into scripts, so the writers would have to throw together a character, story, and possibly toss a carefully plotted story. Curlee did an interview a number of years back where she said she didn't have time to develop Tangie

And finally, Beverlee McKinsey was right about Alex/Nick/Mindy going on too long. Alex would've said, that she knew about Lujack, but only had about 2 yrs with him b4 he died. Now with Nick, she wants the time to get to know him and have a relationship with him, so she would not try to break up him and Mindy. Of course she'd tell Mindy that she knows Mindy will mess things up herself, and when Nick dumps her, she can not blame her. I wonder if they had anything more long-term with him minus the triangle. With both characters gone, Nick was boring. With the roles recast, Nick was still boring. Beverlee and Simms were that story's big draw. I stand firm on my opinion that Mindy never should have had a miscarriage. Imagine how permanently messy things would've been had Mindy given birth to Roger's son. And delay the it hitting the fan had Mallet convince Mindy to let him pretend to be the father, with Roger highly suspicious that yet another woman is letting another man raise his child? Calhoun, Curlee and Co made a major mistake with this one 

RIP  

Beyond sad

Such heartbreaking news. RIP 

21 hours ago, kalbir said:

 

It was the combination of Roger's return and Robert Calhoun becoming EP that ushered in the early 1990s golden era.

The best period was June 1989-July 1991 Robert Calhoun/Pamela Long/Nancy Curlee.

July 1991-August 1992 JFP/Nancy Curlee is still good but it's coasting off the groundwork laid during the Robert Calhoun years.

September-December 1992 is not bad, but the big cast departures of the summer (Kimberley Simms, Sherry Stringfield, Beverlee McKinsey) left a noticeable void in the canvas.

Of course January 1993 Maureen's death changes the show forever. The whole period from the aftermath of Maureen's death until Nancy Curlee leaves the writing team in March 1994 was a chore to get through. At least Michael Zaslow got his long-awaited for Lead Actor Daytime Emmy during that period.

I don't remember the months, but Curlee left for maternity leave in 92, and Lorraine Broderick took her place. Curlee returned sometime in the fall when Reilly left for Days. I'm pretty sure she wasn't there when McKinsey and Simms left, but I think she said she gave her husband the idea of having Bridget's hairdryer cause the blackout, though she wasn't writing at the time. The maternity leave announcement is when I learned she and Demorest were married, and I think I remember SOD said she was to appear as an extra at the diner b4 she left. It's funny how I struggle to remember these things then realize this was a good 30 yrs ago lol. 

15 hours ago, DRW50 said:

A very rare upload here. I kept trying to remember if I'd seen it before as there are a few episodes of this era I've seen that were never on Youtube or haven't been in years, but I'm 50-60% sure this is brand new. 

Any time I watch this era I'm fascinated by Kathy's story (year on year of perpetual anguish), so this episode was catnip for me. Susan Douglas wails the house down! I imagine some viewers found it tiresome but I can see why she was so loved. Patricia Wheel (I remember her from some radio soaps, including Radio Mirror covers), playing a nurse I'd never really heard much of, also gives a very tender performance toward the end. As a bonus you also get some Papa/Bill/Bert scenes. 

The date listed on the upload is 5/22/53.

This is a lovely treat. I'm always so glad when anything from these wiped years reappears. I've never let GL or ATWT go, and in these moments it's like they've nevet let me go either. 

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Great episode! Thanks! 

18 hours ago, Fevuh said:

A gorgeous piece of writing. B12 on the jukebox. You know I still can’t stand to hear Paper Dolls?

Thanks for this! I knew the song number was the same as her age, but for some reason I thought she was 6, but she was 12 

17 minutes ago, Planet Soap said:

yes he did, when Reeva tried to break him and Annie up.

At 16:45 

 

Thanks! Josh was foul. I could see him talking about the other men but I see him bringing up her abuser as out of character for him 

On 7/5/2023 at 7:22 AM, Planet Soap said:

Erica, AMC:

"Saint Maria of Wildwind, tending to the sick in her push up bra"

"Tone deaf little girls with eye glasses like coke bottles and ankles the size of logs" 

"What's the matter Brooke, can't take it? well, I know it hurts being third rate, but aren't you a custom to it yet?"

"....who have contributed to my undoing" 

Others:

"trapped inside the shell of an aging whore". Viki OLTL.

"you'll go after anything in pants so long as it gets you what you want. Just like when you were a little girl, Reeva, remember, you like that man touch you?"~ Josh GL

"Since that fabric you haven't produced very much...except for procreating which you do so well. But as far as producing something other than an unwanted pregnancy..." ~ Stephanie (to Brooke) B&B.

Josh really said that to Reva? Didn't the guy molest her when she was 6? At the 1990 emmys, they showed the clip of her confronting the guy when she won the emmy. Had I known he said that I would've never wanted her to get back together with him 

Guiding Light 1994, Alexandra sees Roger looking kind of lost, "Roger, you look like you've lost something. What are you looking for, your soul?" 

On 6/25/2023 at 1:45 PM, Mitch64 said:

The great run of Long/Kobe started to fall apart a few months before (recast Ed, writing Mike off, the obscuration of the Bauers and Reardon's for Reva and the Lewises) but some of this is still good. I am surprised at for that time, how interesting the dialogue between Victoria and Alex was "separate but equal" despite the stupidity of Brandon being alive (he didn't even need to be alive for this to work.) It also is interesting how later they screwed it up worse with Amanda being Brandon's daughter...(I always wonder if that was a McTavish storyline...) It always kills me how dumb Roxie looked on the bull, and I hate how they made Mindy suddenly into a bitch on wheels to make good ole Roxie the heroine..

I always look at Bev scenes and think how Marj would have played it..(hissing and breathing heavy no doubt.)

 

Amanda and Brandon I think was early Rauch and I believe b4 B&E came in as headwriters. Rauch said he wanted to cut down on Spauldings so he got rid of Alex, Alan Michael and Lucy. He said to him, Alex and Amanda served the same function which is why he cut Alex and made Amanda their sister. It of course went nowhere with the backlash over Zaz's firing. He said he wrestled over what to do about Amanda, but then decided to have her leave town with recast Roger 

12 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

And that wasn't even her first Mindy recast.

I still feel bad for longterm AW fans over her tenure.

He passed away at the start of 1997 from cancer. I wonder if that was one of the reasons he stopped appearing as much. I can't remember his last GL appearance. I know he had a recurring role on AW in his last months.

I always thought his closing credit photo as Hamp was just beautiful.

I always wondered if he was diagnosed back then, or if he was cut to open a spot for 1 of Jill's friends. And yes, him on the sax was a great photo 

Does anyone know why Vince Williams was taken off contract and Hamp and Gilly broke up in 93? I've always wondered why but never found the reason 

1 hour ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Motherf*cking Jill strikes again. So it is painfully obvious that Jill was showing her a** during that time. So Kim and Beverly (McKinsey) both wanted a bit more time off and Jill couldn't compromise?! Ugh. Would Sherry fit into this too? 

 

Stuff like this just makes it so painful as if Jill would've had an ounce of humanity and worked for the betterment of the show, GL might've not went through that rough patch. 

The interview Beverlee did with Michael Logan she said she told Jill that she was overworking the cast and she didn't like her story. Jill told her that she had a contract and had to play what she was given, but she wasn't aware that Bev had an out clause in her contract (under Robert Calhoun) and she left. I think she told Logan that the Nick/Mindy story was good, but it was time to move on to something else. She was right, looking back at episodes, Alex was too obsessed with splitting them up and she was becoming one note. I think Alex should have told them that she found Lujack and only had about 2 yrs with him before he died, and now she has a son she did not know about, and wants to get to know him and have a relationship with him. She'd tell them she would not work to break them up, but knows that 1 day Mindy will mess up, Nick will dump her, and Mindy couldn't blame Alex for it lol. I just don't know what they would've done with Nick from there because for me, he was boring without them, and the later recasts of Mindy and Alex showed how much that story should've ended earlier.

I never heard anything about Sherry leaving other than she wanted to pursue other interests. Too long ago to remember but I don't think she was gone too long before landing NYPD Blue. The trio of exits I always blame on Jill which helped ruin the show were Beverlee, Kimberley and Ellen Parker

8 hours ago, kalbir said:

I don't blame Kimberley Simms for leaving GL after her initial contract as she was still relatively young and probably wanted to move on to other things. It's too bad a primetime career didn't happen or any of the soap roles she was rumored to be in contention for (Days Jennifer, Y&R Ashley, Another World Vicky) didn't materialize. In the episodes of The Locher Room I've seen her in she seems to have good memories of her time on GL and proud of the work she did on the show.

In her exit interview with SOD, she said she wanted to sign a 2 yr deal but JFP pushed for 3. Kimberley then countered with 2 yrs and an option for a 3rd, but either Jill continued to push for 3 or said 3 yrs take it or leave it so she left. I know her and Sherry Stringfield's departures were announced at the same time and the show said they both opted to leave. Simms said she wanted to clarify things as it wasn't as simple as she wanted to leave. Springfield left a few weeks later as they kept asking her to extend her stay even though her contract had expired and Keifer was already hired as her replacement. I think they wanted her to play out Holly finding out about Blake and Ross before she left.

Btw I was there for Mindy's beginning. I love Krista but felt Simms played Mindy with more layers. During the watch party with Nancy Curlee, she said that during some of her confrontations with Alex, she at times would show sympathy for Alex, as Mindy was a much younger woman cheating with her husband. I just feel like she played her as a layered, well rounded adult

21 minutes ago, MichaelGL said:

I remember watching some of this story on YouTube (not most of it, don't believe we have Mallet's introduction) and it was such good writing on behalf of Long/Jones/Curlee. 

Yes, for me the show was must see tv. I can't explain it but there was such a fun vibe at the time, even everyday life scenes that went into character development, and people's relationships with each other. That vibe left when Long left though the show became more realistic 

4 hours ago, Faulkner said:

I was thinking about Phyllis faking her death on Y&R and how bad the story had turned out. What are some good (and bad) examples of stories in which a character is believed to be dead by the other characters (or at least most of them), but the audience immediately knows that the character is still alive and living a different life elsewhere? This could be due to the character faking their death, being kidnapped, or suffering from amnesia.

I'm looking for a different type of story than the ones where an actor leaves the show and the character is presumed dead but later revealed to be alive, like Reva's story on GL or Phillip’s and Adam’s returns on Y&R. In the type of story I'm interested in, the character doesn't actually leave the show and is featured continuously.

I’m thinking of Victor and his summer with Hope on Y&R, Katharine being presumed dead when Marge was killed on Y&R, or Sonny on GH having amnesia and living a life as bartender Mike, discovered by Nina. Which ones had the best or worst reveals? (Sonny being alive on GH was so meh, but Victor’s return after his time in Kansas was so great, especially Jack’s reaction.)

Funny you should mention Reva and Philip. Yes, she was presumed dead when Zimmer left in 1990, and we were told Philip died with the who killed Philip story, but in 1990, we saw Philip, Beth and Rick fake his death when he was accused of killing Beth's ex Neil. I actually thought the story was fun when he ran into India and she returned to Springfield, and Mallet was introduced on to them. There was a hilarious scene where Beth snuck out of the house to see Philip dressed as India, and India put a basketball under her shirt pretending to be pregnant Beth, only to hear Mallet say, "that's not Beth!" But there was the complication with Mindy as she felt Beth and Rick were shutting her out of grieving the 4th musketeer with them, I believe they got married, and it pushed Mindy further into Roger's arms. And with Reva, remember the clone.

To clarify about Reva and the clone, Josh really believed Reva had died, and the clone was created to trick everyone to believe she was alive, as he didn't want to tell his kids that their mother died again. So he and Michael thought she was dead but we saw her on the island with Sean 

Another legend gone. RIP

Farren Phelps was there for Vanessa's horrendous date rape story. I believe it was a hung jury and Billy I think beat a confession out of him and videotaped the confession, which should've been duress. Prior to the rape, Jack Kiley, the rapist, showed up at Vanessa's to tell her that he was giving his account to the Lewis' and not Spaulding, and Vanessa invited him in. I didn't see the next episode but I got the feeling they were having Vanessa attempt to change his mind with sex. I was digusted thinking they might do this. Does anyone remember this, and can tell me if she did have sex with him that night? It's hard to believe 30 yrs have past already and trying to remember details.

Speaking of which, does anyone remember Beverlee McKinsey telling SOD that she was against Alex marrying a rapist, and Long told her that he wasn't a rapist because he only raped once? I'm trying to find it but I know it's not something I misremember 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you very much! I've never seen this article. I am very surprised by Calhoun's remarks. Both rapes happened and there should have been no running away from it. Dealing fully with who he was would have better shown the redeemed man he was becoming. Thanks! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 2nd time Long left, SOW said she was fired over ratings but SOD said she had continuous clashes with TPTB. They said P&G released a statement only saying that her departure was mutual. In the next issue, her fiance said they realized they could plan for their wedding after she left, she didn't leave because of it. Her material last aired either the end of 1990 or the beginning of 1991. Regardless she was still there for the Roger/Holly Acapulco story. It aired weeks if not months before she left. And I never read anything about Maureen Garrett's issues with the story or Robert Calhoun's response. Where can I find their remarks? It's midnight so tomorrow I'll search youtube to see if the episode's there, the month, and writing credits.

Her 1st departure was a maternity leave until as others said, she was hired to headwrite search. After Jeff Ryder was fired, there were 2 or 3 headwriting teams before Long was brought back. Remembering the credits, her first episode back was Reva confronting Josh after finding out he had gotten married in Venezuela. She had already gotten pregnant with Maura and given birth to her and this only came out then. I remember reading at some point that the Sonni story may have been created by the exiting headwriters and P&G bought the story from them. If true, I don't know if/how Long changed the story. I'll look through my Guiding Light books in the morning for the names of the headwriters in between her stints 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Guiding Light, Reva met Abigail in Goshen, and Abby met Selena in prison. Her connection to both became nonexistent. Not only should she have stayed connected to them, but Reva and Selena should've been connected to each other through her. The three could've hung out together and Abby could've confided in them. But about after her first two yrs there, she spent most of her time on the backburner.