saynotoursoap

On 3/25/2017 at 1:10 PM, danfling said:

to amybrickwallace,

 

I believe that Clarice Blackburn and Joel Crothers may have also appeared on both The Doctors and (certainly) Dark Shadows.

 

Robert Colbert and Ramsey Mosteller worked on both shows.  Robert Costello produced both of them.

Robert Colbert was an actor who played Stuart Brooks on The Young and the Restless. To my knowledge, Mr. Colbert never appeared on Dark Shadows. Perhaps you confuse him with music director Bob Cobert. Ramse Mostoller never worked on The Doctors either. Her husband Joe Mostoller was costume designer for The Doctors.

5 hours ago, robbwolff said:

 

Jody Lee definitely vanished when Edelstein was writing though was later mentioned visiting family. As for Liz, her send-off was hasty like Anna's. Out of the blue, she's off to visit her dad. So she did get some final scenes before Pamela Toll moved over to Somerset. But, overall, a disappointing end to such a memorable character.

C.C. Courtney took a break during Edelstein's  tenure to work on his play Salvation. To explain his absence, Jody was sent down South to visit his family. Jody's final onscreen appearance was in November 1969 under Ira Avery. No explanation was given when Jody ceased appearing in the story.

3 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Cast photo 1979?

The cast photo is from December 1978.

I cannot say how I ultimately came to this, but how funny it is to see Dr. Ed Bauer already an alcoholic in 1968, and his lawyer just happens to be the father of Miss Elizabeth Harriet "Melissande" Wilson.

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Thanks for the Peter Burnell article, Carl. This is one I had not seen. Wow, does Peter look young in those photos! The one in which he's holding the book -he resembles a teenager. His youthful looks put him in good stead to play Mike Powers much younger than his age, just as Nancy Donohue plays much older with her hair up, even though only four years separates her and Burnell. Your efforts are appreciated, as always.

As I was looking for old tax records the other day, I came across some soap magazines that I had purchased at a shop in Provincetown a few years ago. They date back to 1973 and the early 80s. I'll go through them and scan stuff related to the good folks at Hope Memorial. I was leafing through the 1973 mag last night and saw photos of David O'Brien and Carolee Campbell, Palmer Deane, and Gerald Gordon, among others. We head back to P-Town in October, so hopefully they'll have some more of these rare finds!

robbwolff, Peter Burnell vacationed for many years at 581 Commercial Street in P-Town. The house was owned by his partner Gerry Mast. You should check it out when you are there. My husband and I may be in P-Town at the end of October/beginning of November. We vacation there every autumn when we can coordinate schedules. It is far more peaceful, and we enjoy driving down The Cape from Boston. If you and I are there at the same time and you have the time, perhaps we could meet for drinks or dinner. I might bring along some very rare soaps to watch!

I found an article last night that mentioned Leister's role...Dr. Alexandra Fanning on OLTL as of April of 1979. At the same time, John LaGioia, Danny Micelli on EON got a gig on ATWT as PI Frank Patterson.

Yes, Leister recurred on OLTL through the end of 1979 as Jenny Wolek's obstretician in the infamous baby switch story of Jenny and Katrina Karr.

Thanks for all the details. Did Leister want to leave or did they write her out? Phoebe seems like an interesting character.

I wish I could see some of Mimi Kennedy's work in the role.

Is her death why Kevin fell for Raven?

Mimi Kennedy did not play Phoebe. When the character returned in 1972, absent since 1968, actress Laurie Kennedy was cast in the part. Laurie is the daughter of film actor George Kennedy. It is my understanding that Kennedy could not cope with the pressure of live performances and was let out of her contract after only a few weeks in the role. Leister replaced her.

Johanna chose not to renew her contract, and Slesar used her departure in the Claude Revenant plot, which affected most every character on the canvas.

Phoebe's first story upon her 1972 return involved her affair with the older Ashley Reynolds. Ashley was married to wealthy socialite Kay LePage. He convinced Phoebe that he wanted to divorce his wife, and of course he had no intention of doing so as her money supported his carefree lifestyle. The affair with Ashley segued into two major plots.

In the first, a concerned Martha hired private detective Joel Gantry to expose Ashley as a liar. Gantry was also investigating Nicole's boss Jake Berman, whose first wife Edith had committed suicide months before. It transpired that Edith had in fact died by Jake's hand, and he made it look as if she took his own life. Shortly thereafter, Jake himself was murdered, leading to Adam Drake being arrested and tried for the crime. The real killer was Joel Gantry. Unknown to anyone, Edith Berman was his mother from her first marriage. Kevin uncovered evidence incriminating Joel. Joel kidnapped him, took him to a deserted cemetery and forced him to dig his own grave.

The second major story to offshoot from Ashley involved his wife Kay's father, entrepreneur Walter LePage. Following her divorce from Ashley, Kay married Laurie Karr's ex-husband Vic Lamont. Vic had divorced Laurie after she had an affair with Johnny Dallas, who had mob connections and had been hired by Jake Berman in the plot mentioned above. Johnny's restuarant The New Moon Cafe had been infiltrated by the mob. Several characters were killed off, including Vic himself, who died without knowing that his father-in-law Walter LePage was head of Monticello's crime syndicate.

Yes, Phoebe's death created the perfect environment for Geraldine to push Raven and a vulnerable, lonely Kevin together. Of course, it eventually had fatal consequences for poor Kevin.

Thank you, saynotoursoap. I have heard the "pop-flavored" arrangement but agree that the orchestrated version is gorgeous (though the slow, piano-driven rendition used under the credits in the late 70s is very pretty, too).

A few more questions:

When does Lydia Bruce get moved up to co-star status in the credits? As of right now (March 1969), she is still listed with the supporting players.

When did the show stop using the live-action footage for the credits and go with screen caps instead? It had to be sometime after March 1979.

Regarding Joe Stuart, was he the EP of OLTL when Ellen Holly was paired with an actor that she (and everyone else in the cast) despised? She begged and pleaded him NOT to hire this guy, he did it anyway, and she cried?

Stuart's treatment of Ellen Holly was despicable and did not serve the series well. I could not tolerate Burghardt even without knowledge of his offscreen personality. He appeared very cold, arrogant, and unlikeable onscreen, too. I had not really considered this before, Monika, but I am wondering now how the story would have played had Conrad Roberts been hired as Dr. Jack Scott? I think that he and Ellen Holly would have worked well together, onscreen if not off.

The final executive producer, Gerard Straub, dropped the live-action beauty shots and replaced them with stills in the summer of 1982.

When did the theme music change? I've heard a snippet of the theme used in the 70s on saynotoursoap's channel soap trailer. It's beautiful. Who composed it?

Monika, the current theme we are heaing on Retro TV will be replaced in 1971. It seems that it occurred during the late summer, but I might be wrong. At that point, the music production changes from Robert Cobert to Score Productions. Bob Israel of Score composed the theme. It lasts until March 1977. For that year's anniversary episode, the series premiered an opening title sequence and re-orchestrated Israel's theme to what is commonly referred to as "pop flavored," though the end theme is actually slower than the original theme. In August 1980, Israel's theme was dropped altogether.

The 1971-77 orchestration is my favorite of all The Doctors' themes. It is really a lovely piece music. If you have viewed the soap opera segment of Tom Snyder's Tomorrow talk show on my channel, all of the background music is the original orchestration of Israel's theme. A YouTube poster merged an audio copy of the theme (from a 1973 episode) with his own "custom credits" below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1BTFEsoDA

THE DOCTORS...R

Frankie Raimundo...Jamey Sheridan...81-82?...graverobber L&O:CI, Arrow

Cappy Randall...Heywood Hale Broun...79...investigator

Congressman Jason Randall...M. Emmett Walsh...68 movies

Tony Randall...Tony Randall,,,82...stop smoking campaign movies/primetime

Dr. Jessie Rawlings...Petronia Paley... ... AW, OLTL, GL,LIaMST, etc...

Lt. Paul Reed...Mark Goddard...82...Billy Aldrich investigator/killer OLTL, GH, etc...

Rex Reed...Rex Reed... critic

Mr. Reins...Hansford Rowe... AW,RH,BE,OLTL,EON,DS,etc...

Pat_____Reyerson...Kathryn Harrow ...79-80 Emmy winner

Mr. Reynolds...?????????...2/13/69...clinic patient

Dr. John Rice"Little Boy Doctor"..Terry Kiser...67-68...cousin, Steve Aldrich SS,KL,etc...

Albert Rich...William Bogert...68...awful date, Liz... AW,ATWT,LOL,OLTL

Nurse Richardson...Greta Rae...68

Nancy Richmond...Irene Kane(Channing Chase)...week of 2/10/64

Mrs. Ridgely...Jo Henderson...68...wanted the pill AMC,SFT,etc...

Stan Rinberg...??????...11/82...employee, Philip M

Ines _______Rivera..9/9/68...mother, Juan...??????

Juan Rivera...Arthur Azito...9/9/68...appendicitis

John Robert...Never Seen...4/74...friend, Erich

Ken Lucia Robinson...Fred Burnstein...81...football player RH

Earl Rodgers...??????...9/78...talent agent

Nurse Hollis T. Rodgers...Donna Drake...82 ...+Luke Dancy EON

Nurse Rodriguez...?????...82...fever story

Virginia _____Rose...Martha Greenhouse week of 3/9/64 EON,RH,etc...

Dr. Alan Ross...Richard Borg...80-81...intern AW,ATWT,GL,EON,SFT,OLTL

Theodora Van Allen Rostand...Carmen Matthews...66... AW

...Clarice Blackburn ..66 ATWT,OLTL,DS,WTHI,GL,SS

...Augusta Dabney...80-81 AW,ATWT,GL,GH,AWA,OLTL,YDM,LIAMST, LOV, etc...

Dr. Roth..Salem Ludwig...67-68...doctor, Danny

Larry Rowan...Brian Carney...7/80...cohort, Far Wind

Nurse Rose Ryan...Dorothy Bryce

Kathy Ryker(????Bellini...read somewhere she married Nick)...Carol Pfander...70-71...Nurse

...Nancy Barrett...71-72... DS,OLTL,RH

...Holly Peters...72-73

Added Steve Garrett ...Michael Beirne ...68 or 69 to the list.

Thanks for the Fontaine info, Jam...I knew I read it somewhere.

More later. Does anyone know if Kathy Ryker ended up married to Nick Bellini? In some synopsis or article, I thought I read that...

Yes, Kathy was definitely married to Nick when she died. You can say this for Bellini, he knocked them up but at least he always married them.

We lost so many wonderful people to that disease...sometimes it still hits me, on days like today. It's so unfair.

As for Stuart, I've heard so many bad things about his OLTL run. It's unfortunate to hear he was the same at The Doctors.

Sometimes I feel like daytime's only had a handful of good producers and sometimes I feel like they've had more but the bad ones are just so bad.

I agree. There was some wonderful material at OLTL under Stuart, but again, it was very much the hard work of Gordon Russell, the directors, and the fine ensemble of actors. Stuart generated conflicts between actors. He was just a junior version of Paul Rauch, though Rauch, cretinous as he was, possessed some creativity and flair on occasion.

Sad...

It sounds like a lot of the changes to the show (changes that ultimately were fatal to it) that we've already heard about. A part of me isn't even sure if I want to see up to that point, although I guess I probably do (realistically I don't think Retro will go that far though).

I would ascribe a good deal of the change in atmosphere at The Doctors to the new producer Joseph Stuart, who assumed the position from Allen Potter in 1973. Quite frankly, I never cared for Stuart as a producer or as a person. His comments in Jeff Giles' book annoyed the hell out of me. To this day he finds it a personal affront that he was let go from The Doctors when (as he tells it) he won the show its Emmy. What gall. He had hardly walked through the door when that award was presented, and it was for material that was largely produced by Allen Potter.

Stuart is an egoist. He was not an artist or creative, either. He was a suit hired by the network to work the numbers. Under Stuart, the show's ratings dropped significantly. This was in a period when it became the first series in seventeen years to regularly beat The Edge of Night.

Peter should have been paid what he was worth. Some of the actors following him were fairly good, and some fairly miserable, but none of them ever captured the soulfulness he brought to the part. The idiom was not used at the time, but he played a "legacy character," and his loss was felt from that point onward as later producers and writers furthered damaged the moral center of the story by turning Matt into a belligerent alcoholic and Maggie an adultress. Linda Grover and Chuck Weiss gave an admirable attempt to turn the tide in 1978, but it was to no avail. The damage had been done, and too many in the audience had defected.

Illness played a role in it, too, I imagine. He and his lover Gerry Mast were positive. Gerry died of an AIDS-related illness about a year and half after Peter committed suicide.

I wonder how much "Another World" was actually kept. I can see kinescopes of key episodes being saved, of course.

NBC did not own Another World and did not archive the early black-and-white or color episodes. However, black and white kinescopes were routinely made to air in markets that did not have videotape machines or in markets that chose to air the series out of pattern. Procter and Gamble did syndicate early 70s episodes of some of its soaps, including Another World which was telecast in Australia as early as 1974.

I posted this the first time about 4 years back, but wanted to ask again.

I was reading in a January 1968 TV Picture Life daytime roundup thing, and in the section for LIAMST, they say that before the show began airing, Leslie Charleson replaced Brooke Mills.

Have any of you ever heard anything about this?

It is true, Carl. Irna was dissatisfied with Brooke Mill and had her replaced just before the series went to air.

Yes, I hope you don't mind - saynotoursoap. That was the only episode I could find her in.

Of course not, Monika. I am so pleased that you put it to good use!

Does anyone know how old Pamela Toll was around 1968? I think she is one of the finest actresses on the show. I still can't get over the scene from the December episode were she was crying in her apartment because of Nick.

She was 19 in 1968, terribly accomplished as an actress for such a young age. She possessed native talent.

Was Tim/T.J. still on GL at that point (I barely remember him, but I assume that's who is behind Millette Alexander)?

Yes, Tim (T.J.) was still there in early 1977.

I love her escort.

Thanks for sharing amybrickwallace!

Oh, you used a screen cap from one my episodes! I love it. I recall the day that Jennifer discovered the episode on You Tube. I was so surprised to find an email awaiting me from her. She is very kind and will always be "real Greta" to me.

Mid June 73 - was that during the writer's strike?

Yes, Paul Raven. It was the first full month of televised Watergate hearings, as well.

I also appreciated the story on late-in-life dad Jim Pritchett. He was a handsome man to be fortysomething in the 1960s.

Carl, thank you so much for the great articles. I really enjoyed the one on Pamela Toll and her husband Peter Gina. He passed away recently and by all accounts was very nice man. As one might guess, however, he and Pamela did not last long as a couple. Three week courtships aside, Pamela began group therapy around the time of this article and emerged a year later as a very different person. She confessed to being much like Liz -passive, agreeable, desiring to be liked by everyone. In real life, Liz overcame that. She dumped Peter, became independent, renounced marijuana, and focused her life on her own inner desires.

http://www.aspentimes.com/news/obituaries/14816060-113/peter-gina

I love the last two photos especially as they are classic Penny expressions. I wish I had known that Monika intended to contact Jami. I considered writing to her myself. I wanted to inquire about that hideous wig she had to wear, but I changed my mind. I wonder if she and Laryssa Lauret commiserated over hairpieces! Jami looks exactly the same today...minus the wig, of course.