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But what fans should they have listened too? The rabids only wanted one couple and didn't give an ish about anyone else. We already had the Zendall hour, they did nothing for the show. We had the J&E time, they did nothing for ratings. And Tad and Dixie broke up, made up and she kept coming back from the dead more times than I can count. And still nothing. That IMo was listening to the fans. Or make that one who yelled the loudest, had time to write, organize campigns and present themselves as part of the masses. <----I truly believe that fanbases helped get the show cancelled, and they hold a large burden of AMC's failure on their shoulders, or better yet, at their fingertips.

You had the fans, actors from other shows, magazine columnists yelling from the top of our lungs how horrible Josh as the unabortion was and NO ONE cared. No one listened. You had Rylee, and while they never bothered me, the fans YELLED and screamed about them, but no one listened.

So I guess I don't really understand what they were supposed to listen to us about. We were only ever rabid, hating on them, going against what they were trying to write, or just plain being pains in the asses.

What then were we supposed to say and do that would make them listen? Or I guess, what were supposed say that was what they wanted to hear?

WWEKMNBCCRRMMCMMMd? LMAO I'm keeping that one.

^Interesting little fact, to the left of VI's head there's David and Erica cover of one of the mags. After the moved, I asked VI on his FB if he put that back up. He said it got lost in the shuffle and he didn't know where it was. Makes one wonder. How do you just lose [!@#$%^&*] like that? I kinda wanted to go wade through some trash cans. LOL

Did not like Dixie, she was a sanctimonius slut!!!

I just never understoood why no one ever held her responsible for her actions. When she had her affair with David Everyone said she was his victim, but the way I watched it, and the way it played out in my tapes, SHE used him too. Used him and abused him, knowing full well what she was doing. Then when it all blew up in her face, she cried and said big bad David hurt her. UGH.

She should have stayed dead.

Yes, I said it.

^The David/Erica scenes that came on the following show, the "home in your arms" ones...gah. Stupid AMC didn't even give them a real chance.

I know what you mean. I liked Erica and Dimitri together at first too. Unlike Erica though, I wouldn't have married him the second time. Him helping Kendall find Erica's rapist pretty much ruined him for me.

Ugh I try to forget about that or I could never even look at the fool again. Looking back now, I realize how horrible they actually were together. He didn't treat her much better than Jack did.

Sorry for the double post, but I wanted to post this before I forget (don't have time): I know a lot of people have given up on America/the world, I had for awhile, but that changed last year.

When I was at school in England, there was a girl there from China. She'd never met an American, and naturally she'd only ever heard bad things about us. She and another Chinese girl mentioned to one of our module leaders that they understood the American accident better than the English one...he thought it would be nice if myself and the two other American's in the class worked with them. Slowly, as we worked with them, the girl who went from wanting to run from us, said hello to us in the halls, who sat by us at the Politics get togethers. And who last year, at graduation ran over and gave me a huge hug. It didn't matter anymore that she'd grown up hating American's. We were just friends, you know?

I like to believe that's how this world is going to change. One person at a time. She probably went home to China and heard all the things she'd heard growing up, but at least she knows that at the end of the day, we're all the same and that we can all work together.

That's actually very true, there is no yardstick in the United States because Americans have the unfortunate habit of relating their views only within the context of the United States. Ignorance to world affairs, social norms etc is extremely common in the United States and personal biases rule above rational thought.

You know, I went to school in the UK. I have friends from ALL over the world. I had conversations just like this, and for as dense as you think American's are, the rest of you aren't nearly as worldly as you like to believe. In fact, I'd say it's people in glass houses trying to throw stones. For every question I missed about something in Europe, the all so brilliant and mighty Europeans did as well. People see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear.

Oh and this stupid (or getting dumber and dumber) American child (I was educated in our system) went to England and got marks as high or higher than Britions and other foreigners. So throw the stones all you like, but watch out for them when they come back to hit you (and that's general) in the face.

For what it's worth, and I don't have time at the moment, I have both a BA in American Public Law (Political Science) and Master Degree in International Politics, with a concentration in Global Justice and Ethics. And I assure you, I can hold my ground and own international politics with the best of anyone. I'll gladly go a few rounds with you if you'd like.

I wish I'd gotten to see more of Erica/Mike Roy. He seems like he worked well with her. But then, I thought Dimitri was perfect for her at one point, so sometimes I question my own judgment. LOL

^Jack and Anna SHOULD have happened. Walt and Finola had great chemistry, and the characters got along well. Plus, the drama that would have come from their being together, damn. AMC was stupid not to go there.

I always just saw Jack as loving this idea of Erica Kane, and trying their whole relationship to get her to be who he wanted her to be. That never happened, and they'd do their toxic dance.

I thought Jack and Krystal had lots of chemistry, and liked the idea of them getting together despite the babyswap. That used to be the kind of thing that soaps were made off. But fanbases dictated what happened and we saw J&E do less than nothing in over 20 years.

Even Susan says she thinks they're better off not being married, and Walt was clearly happy about Jack walking out on her in the end, but the "Jerica" fans are beyond pissed.

They don't care what Susan and Walt think, all they know is that they think they got jipped. I enjoyed J&E when they weren't married, or engaged. When they were struggling to think that's what they needed to do, but knew they fell apart if they did. But then they'd get married and their happily ever after never came and the cycle started all over again.

It always struck me that so many headwriters tried and failed to give J&E their happy ending. IMO, that's because they were so flawed as a couple that it just didn't work.

The worst thing about Jack and Erica, at least for me, is that they made absolutely no progress in 20 odd years. None. They ended up exactly where they started. Which is probably why I never understood it. It was the same, boring, mundane, dance, over and over and over again. The same can be said for Tad and Dixie. I saw nothing at the end of the show that said this time was going to be "different", and that's so unfortunate because Tad and Cara had so much potential.

I think fanbases helped kill the genre and I always will. The idea that such and such groups were "owed" something lead to the downfall of the show.

David/Dixie had the potential to be something good, AMC built a good friendship there. The problem is, as they started David/Dixie they were also teasing Erica/David still and continuing with Tad/Dixie. Literally in one episode you'd see Tad with Dixie, David with Erica trying to get her to take him back, and then David with Dixie. They simultaneously slapped around three fanbases, and by the time David and Dixie were just David and Dixie, he was dark and obsessed.

My favorite scene from that timeframe is at his first LDZ trial, when Dixie and Tad walk in and sit on the prosecution side. And then you have Erica/Bianca walk in, Erica knowing that not only did her drugged her but he'd confessed to drugging the whole boat to her as well, walk in and site on David's side of the courtroom.

^^Tad was definitely an ass to Dixie during that time frame, but make no mistake about it, as SOON as David and Erica were done (and even before, though David wanted nothing to do with her) she was throwing herself at him. In fact, twice David was trying to get back with Erica and Dixie stopped it. So yeah, the cow got EXACTLY what she deserved. Especially when she was surprised that David lied and was doing criminal things. Ugh. That whole thing disgusts me to even think about.

PS. David/Erica were off and running long before Dixie miscarried Bess, not that matters, but still.

^You might say they do, but AMC disagreed and that's a HUGE part of what went wrong, IMO. Josh was younger than Kendall, but he still should been considerably older than me.

Do timelines matter anymore? I mean really, Josh was 25 in 2006, and I don't care how much SORAS'ing and deSOARSING was done, that storyline was from 1973. It made even less sense when you considered Josh's age. But we're not supposed to follow logic. LOL

Dimitri is the love of her life at least to me. He was the best pairing she had and too bad AMC ruined them when they ruined him

I thought that for awhile, and believed it right up until her miscarriage. After that? I never wanted him near her again. There's a scene between them that I'll never get out of my head, and it literally tainted them to me forever. He was marginally better than Jackson, but not by much.

Ugh, there's Dimitri doing what he did best--bitching and yelling at Erica. I can't believe Dimitri and Jack are painted as the loves of her life.

I still just don't get it. Max, you really think it's all as simple as defeating Obama? As putting a Republican in office? We had one of those for 8 years, and he's got a worse track record than Obama.

This isn't about the parties, whom are only out for themselves and don't give a [!@#$%^&*] about us, it's about fixing what's broken at the heart of the system. IMO every time control of this country is given to the "other" party...NOTHING happens. Nothing changes. Things get worse, or marginally better. That's because it's not about ideology and that nonsense anymore.

It should be about admitting that the system is broken and doing what needs to be done to fix it, and give the America people back some hope.

Ugh you don't even know how much I despise party politics. It will be the death of this country. And at the rate we're going, sooner rather than later.

It just baffles me that this country still thinks changing the party in office is going to fix anything. Clinton was Democrat and he made his share of mistakes. Then we had Bush the Republican who f*cked up immensely. So we went back to a Democrat, who hasn't done much of anything. No one sees the pattern? No sees that it doesn't matter if we shoved and Independent in there, the problems still exist. They're not going to go away. And a party stay or change isn't the answer.

IMO it's the system that's broken, and it's been broken for a long time. Doesn't matter if it's a Republican or Democrat at the helm, we're flawed from the inside out, not the outside in.

For the record, I'm registered as an Independent, but I am without a doubt an issue based voter. This isn't about parties for me; I think party politics has helped get this country into the trouble that its in...so it doesn't matter to me who is on each parties card when it's said and done. If I like one of their ideas, I vote for them. If not, I don't put in anything. I'd rather not vote for a candidate than have a party tell me who to vote for.

LOL at the clip from I Love Lucci, Erica Kane eating a hamburger? Bwhaha.

I was just rewatching some of this special. This was a nice reunion show.

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That's an awesome clip. I'd never seen it before.

LOL at the women in the front row with signs and t-shirts.

Sounds like I'm not going to recognize most of Walford when I get back to England in November.

Lots of catching up to do.