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How much time do we give Sally Sussman before we ask for her firing?

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I'm just going to echo, while the show may not be the most exciting day to day, (which was very natural for Bill Bell's Y&R back then too) I'd rather see a show, where I have trust that the writers are actually bringing up history, that did play out onscreen, as opposed to the other regimes retconning the hell out of this soap.

 

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12 hours ago, Soapsuds said:

That's all I have seen. She isn't even on contract and she has more episodes than Victor and Nikki combined.


and the reason Victor hasn't been on? Eric Braeden is going around the country promoting his autobiography. 

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We're at 2 months and 2 days. This thread really exists? LOL Love ya soapsuds but it's way too soon for this

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I'm loving Y&R now. I like that the show has slowed down, and that Sally is investing in small scenes that explore character over plot. I want to really know these legacy characters again, their history and what they're about now. I've had it with network executives thinking audiences want to watch one explosion after another, or someone pulling a gun on someone, without understanding what motivates the character. (GH is a perfect example. Overhyped drama on a daily basis with artificial moments of jeopardy that happen so frequently no one cares.) Not that everything on Y&R these days is golden. The character of Victoria is a shadow of her former self, as is often mentioned on this board. I think the only remedy is recasting, but I doubt that will happen. Billy, too, is miscast. Nothing in the current reincarnation is vaguely who Billy Abbott was when he was first introduced years ago. Overall, though, Y&R feels more like itself than it has in ages, and that's why I'm tuning back in after years of very long stretches when I couldn't tolerate the show. Y&R has always been a very different soap; it's DNA is different from all the others. If a head writer, EP or network exec understands that, then the show will flourish. Personally, I think JFP was the worst thing to happen to Y&R, as was CP. I'm very thankful they're long gone (please, no other network rehire JFP; she's ruined enough daytime shows). 

12 hours ago, soapfan770 said:

Still way to early to call for Sussman's firing in my opinion. The first two months of her work, while having some wayward errors and yes Gloria might be on too much but considering to where this show was in the almost deepest pits of hell just six months ago does indeed feel like a refreshing improvement. Pratt's Y&R just six months ago wasted Justin Hartley and Alicia Coppola for no reason at all. At least Sussman's Y&R feels more like natural Y&R as opposed to whatever attempted to be Y&R during the Pratt regime. Although I  can feel annoyed at certain times so far under Sussman, I have yet to feel nauseated and trepid about watching a new Y&R ep like I did for most of 2016 with Y&R

 

It does indeed remind me in way of how Josh Griffin's 2012-2013 run went before Griffin self destructed and caused even further destruction to the show. However I am hopeful that Sussman doesn't go that route. Like Pratt's craziness that did bring in viewers, Sussman also replace JER at Days for better or for worse.

 

However, Sussman, for all her flaws is the last remaining connection to what Y&R use to be. Problem is, I don't know what fellow current Y&R viewers expect Y&R to be like. Y&R was not an ABC/NBC soap and Y&R is not a P&G soap. Y&R is a Bell soap that alone we made Y&R become number one. Realistically Sussman from a historical standpoint isn't going to produce miracles on a daily basis but at least provide viable storytelling. Throughout Y&R's history there has always been a general complaint over very slow story telling and plot advancement, yet everyone remembers the stunning hook of the each story and shocking climaxes that had viewers talking for years.

 

The true problem with Y&R is even though we want our Y&R back to the screen is that brand has been so damaged it does need complete overhaul. Bell overhauled the show himself in 1982 but the ultimate problem is can Y&R survive a similar upheaval and overhaul in 2017? 

A spot on assessment, IMO. Couldn't agree more.

18 hours ago, JONNYSBRO said:

 

Actually i think Dena Higley would be better at YR. Do u all know Sally was in contention for the job back in 2014 but JFP passed her over for Pratt

I'm pretty sure Dena is washed up as far as soaps go. Also, that you would suggest her as head writer for Y&R shows how little you understand the show Bill Bell created and nurtured. JFP certainly didn't understand it, nor did CP. 

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38 minutes ago, SOAPSFOREVER said:

I'm loving Y&R now. I like that the show has slowed down, and that Sally is investing in small scenes that explore character over plot. I want to really know these legacy characters again, their history and what they're about now. I've had it with network executives thinking audiences want to watch one explosion after another, or someone pulling a gun on someone, without understanding what motivates the character. (GH is a perfect example. Overhyped drama on a daily basis with artificial moments of jeopardy that happen so frequently no one cares.) Not that everything on Y&R these days is golden. The character of Victoria is a shadow of her former self, as is often mentioned on this board. I think the only remedy is recasting, but I doubt that will happen. Billy, too, is miscast. Nothing in the current reincarnation is vaguely who Billy Abbott was when he was first introduced years ago. Overall, though, Y&R feels more like itself than it has in ages, and that's why I'm tuning back in after years of very long stretches when I couldn't tolerate the show. Y&R has always been a very different soap; it's DNA is different from all the others. If a head writer, EP or network exec understands that, then the show will flourish. Personally, I think JFP was the worst thing to happen to Y&R, as was CP. I'm very thankful they're long gone (please, no other network rehire JFP; she's ruined enough daytime shows). 

A spot on assessment, IMO. Couldn't agree more.

I'm pretty sure Dena is washed up as far as soaps go. Also, that you would suggest her as head writer for Y&R shows how little you understand the show Bill Bell created and nurtured. JFP certainly didn't understand it, nor did CP. 


Your last comment about Dena....THANK YOU. She IS washed up....and after the clusterfuck she's made of Days on the 3 occasions she was HW, not to mention OLTL.....it would be a spit in BB's face and memory to have that woman head write Y&R

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1 hour ago, SOAPSFOREVER said:

I'm loving Y&R now. I like that the show has slowed down, and that Sally is investing in small scenes that explore character over plot. I want to really know these legacy characters again, their history and what they're about now. I've had it with network executives thinking audiences want to watch one explosion after another, or someone pulling a gun on someone, without understanding what motivates the character. (GH is a perfect example. Overhyped drama on a daily basis with artificial moments of jeopardy that happen so frequently no one cares.) Not that everything on Y&R these days is golden. The character of Victoria is a shadow of her former self, as is often mentioned on this board. I think the only remedy is recasting, but I doubt that will happen. Billy, too, is miscast. Nothing in the current reincarnation is vaguely who Billy Abbott was when he was first introduced years ago. Overall, though, Y&R feels more like itself than it has in ages, and that's why I'm tuning back in after years of very long stretches when I couldn't tolerate the show. Y&R has always been a very different soap; it's DNA is different from all the others. If a head writer, EP or network exec understands that, then the show will flourish. Personally, I think JFP was the worst thing to happen to Y&R, as was CP. I'm very thankful they're long gone (please, no other network rehire JFP; she's ruined enough daytime shows). 

A spot on assessment, IMO. Couldn't agree more.

I'm pretty sure Dena is washed up as far as soaps go. Also, that you would suggest her as head writer for Y&R shows how little you understand the show Bill Bell created and nurtured. JFP certainly didn't understand it, nor did CP. 

Soapsforever, you must be either Sally Sussman herself, Kay Alden or Mal.....LOL

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I don't give a [!@#$%^&*] there's no real story going on. If it's still like this in a few months, then we'll talk. What I do appreciate is, for the first time in over a decade, (some) characters are acting more human and the unrelenting nastiness is gone. Before, the show would leave me feeling as if all the characters were scum.

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Give it time, it takes alot of time to fix a show that is so badly damaged to it's core. That's not something that happens overnight.

 

People say bad writing is what's killing soaps, yeah partly, but it's stuff like this that is as well. It's not going to be fixed in one day/week/month.

 

Sure maybe she can't fix every single that is wrong with the show, but I'd say in comparison to GH/Days/BB she's doing a good job.

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Are you looking for the old Y&R, or a watchable show?

 

The old Y&R is gone. 

 

SSM is a grindingly mediocre writer with moments of decency, and that can lead to watchable material (other than the Vivian tooth implant story I thought her DAYS was watchable enough), so that will be the best you get, if that's your taste. If not, then you're probably better off quitting. 

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I'm loving Y&R. It's far from perfect and I don't like everything going on, but this is the most I've enjoyed this show in years. 

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23 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Would it have been better to have had kay Alden back as head writer with sussman as consultant?

I thought that but maybe Kay doesnt want to be HW???

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25 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Would it have been better to have had kay Alden back as head writer with sussman as consultant?

She sure isn't being a good consultant. She should have told Sally to axe the Gloria idea.

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