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IDK if we have a thread on here like this and I didn't find one, so if we do, administrators, please merge it. happy.png

But posters, what stories on any soap do you feel flopped for you personally and could've been better had the writers taken a different route? Or ending? Or had it not been dropped? Or wrapped up to quickly? What would you suggest could've been done better or a been a better story beat that was failed to be hit?

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Y&R: All the bad things that Adam and Victor have done that have been swept under the carpet. Adam was supposed to be held accountable for helping Patty escape when Vance finished a high profile case. Never happened. Adam will be nothing but an albatross to Y&R if he is not properly and thoroughy addressed. The problem with the Adam character was not just that MM had the role.

Victor used a mentally ill person (Patty) to do his dirty work, which resulted in deaths. He continues to do contemptable things without consequence. Beyond old, ridicuous, and tiresome.

Paul was having Sharon's lipstick case analyzed for prints after Phyllis fell down the stairs. Never heard anything else about it. Not that I want Phyllis to return to the show, mind you. I do love Michelle Stafford though.

The Mariah story has gone on too long. Who cares anymore? Drop it.

Abby and Tyler are BORING. Cane and Lily are BORING. Stop giving boring characters with boring SLs so much airtime.

Stop toying with Neil's love life. Whatever happened to JFP's comments about giving Neil a sexy relationship? (Hillary is not the person for this, BTW.) Stop jerking this man around.

B&B: All the times Brooke and her family members have had sex with men who were married to/involved with other family members. Taylor too. Same thing w/ Eric, Deacon, Nick, and Ridge. But I digress, BB seems to get off on it and his viewers apparently do too, or perhaps some of the viewers just love hating on anyone who is, in their mind, Brooke's competition. Nothing for me to do but stop watching, which I did a long time ago. The sexing pool on B&B seems to be - Look No Further Than Your Familly Tree! Disgusting.

ATWT: Gone but not forgotten.

When Holden and Carly had sex. When MB was replaced as Lily. Actually, everything that happened after show killer Frons took over.

GL: Also gone, but not forgotten. Too much of a lot - Michelle having too much screen time. The mob. The horrible sets and outdoor shots at the end. Ellen Wheeler.

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Nearly any of the stories Marland gave Lily (I feel like he was intimidated by the character). #1 would be Lily getting a scar which was supposed to represent her loss of identity and decaying mental state. #2 would be Lily going bad when Heather Rattray was first in the role, and finally being the daughter Lucinda had likely sometimes wished she would be (be careful what you wish for...).

I will also mention Holden's brain damage, which failed because it was all about his love for Lily, not about him losing anything else that had been important in his life.

For more modern stories, I will say the Kevin/Lucy/Scott triangle on GH, which could have been very interesting if it had been anything but an oft-stalled series of recycled tryst scenes and spazz attacks.

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Lucas' coming out storyline was bad from start to almost finish.

I got one of my favorite scenes out of it (the Bobbie/tracy face-off) but it was.a cheap attempt at pretending to write a sociallly-relevent story which Guza is ill-equipped for.

It didnt help that they recast with Drake Hoggestyn's stepson and that it was dropped within three months. Worst? They showed how uncreative that writing team was when they named Lucas' love interest Guy.

A monkey throwing its own feces at a blank canvas would have done a better job.

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Most of AMC's final years on ABC - there was a lot that was out of character, half-done or just plain dropped.

Beyond that, I loathed the unabortion, and just about any soap fan could have created a story to make Josh Madden Erica's son that made more sense than the sci-fi stupidity that was that storyline.

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The entire Julia Larabee story on ATWT. I thought, at the time, that she would have made a great long term rival for Carly. The choice to kill her off, which I saw coming miles away as soon as they put her in an affair with Holden, was a terrible ending. I also thought that the decision to adopt JJ would have some lasting effects as JJ and Parker became teens. They could have been feuding brothers with one a bad boy and the other the good soon. I was very disappointed when JJ was shipped off to boarding school, year round camp, or wherever he was sent just as they hit puberty.

T Marshal Travers on ATWT. Instead of making him into a rapist and writing him into a corner, I always wanted to see him and Bonnie hit the sheets. They should have taken that story old school and had her marry him to gain access to and "protect" Zara from him. Then had her actually fall for him due to proximity and witnessing his affections for his daughter. Instead, he was killed! Just why! #StillBitterAboutIt

Marshal Travers was everything I have wanted in a character on Y&R for 10 years now.

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THIS. I never understood getting rid of Travers, who could have been an intriguing gray character.

Paul's turn to the dark side. The idiots on ATWT pissed in their pants at the thought of getting Howarth---when they had a popular, talented kid in Scott Hoylrod. Instead of showing him struggle with his demons, they shorthanded it by having Howarth pop into town and scowl at everyone. While it arguably tried to bring Howarth's fans over, it ended up alienating a lot of ATWT's core audience.

Sorry...there was no chance of the Holden/Carly story being "better". It's sole purpose was to grease the way for Noelle Beck's Lily. The only "better" would have been "not at all". Which would have been PERFECTLY fine with me.

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Same!

I "vote" for Roger's death/Sebastian's arrival on GUIDING LIGHT. The show FINALLY addresses the proverbial elephant in the room, and that's the best they could have done? And what the feck did Tony and Michelle, of ALL people, have to do with it?

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On OLTL, the story with Kelly cheating with Kevin's son Duke and having a baby with him could have been a much better story if Duke wasn't such a moron. And if he had been played by a much better actor. Matthew Metzger's "acting" was worse than Higley's writing (and the writing didn't help the story either). Dan Gauthier and Heather Tom made some parts of the story work really well but everything with Duke's dumb existence in the first place and then Kevin being thrown under the bus made the story flop.

Kevin/Lucy/Scott was one of the better parts of GH even though Lucy is so annoying. But Lynn Herring is one of the better actresses on the show.

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Queen B's 2010 return to General Hospital owns this thread.

All the elements were there and a decent writer could've easily written an S&B reunion that fell apart because of Sonny's inability to deal with Jax being the father of the son that she'd recently brought along with her. I would've been heartbroken, but not as pissed as I was with the onscreen bile that made me leave right along with her a year later.

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One story that flopped that could've been so better was Luke and Noah's romance on ATWT. I always felt that they should've brought Colonel Mayer onto the show as a hometown soldier back from Iraq and built him up as some town hero. Then bring on Noah as his son afterward and had him (Col. Mayer) push Maddie onto Noah, as he felt she'd be good for Noah, but of course, Noah is really attracted to Luke. Slowly have Noah come out to Luke and the two fall for each other, and for Col. Mayer over time to become unraveled as homosexuality did not fit into his ideals. After many foiled plans, Col. Mayer decides to THEN try and kill Luke. I would've found it to be more compelling and believed in them more, even though I did like Nuke regardless.

The Ronan saga on YR is another one on my list too. It was obvious from the start that Ronan was going to be Nina's long lost son. I felt that Nina should've hit a few dead ends then find Ronan and guilt him into coming back to GC where he and Chance clashed. I felt that they dropped the ball with Ronan v. Chance BIG TIME.

Many of us have suggested this before but I think that Brad was stupid in not 1. Pursuing the Bill/Steffy love story full on. That triangle (Katie/Bill/Steffy) would've provided so much more drama then Katie/Brooke/Bill ever could. Then for Brad to bring back Deacon and put him in Steffy's orbit would've been even more genius. Deacon would've once again snagged a young Forrester heiress, which would've shook the canvas to the core, especially Ridge, who hates Deacon, and Hope, who loathes Steffy.

Add Amber/Dayzee/Thomas/Marcus to the list too. While I hate the character of Marcus (well TB TBH), upon building up to Dayzee and Marcus' union, it would've been good to have Marcus second guess marrying Dayzee and start sexting and engaging in an affair Amber, which resulted in him hitting that homeless man. Marcus could've struggled with the truth of hitting a man, which I would've had him kill (as it would've been more impactful), along with his affair with Amber. As the police and Dayzee (as the homeless man was one of her friends from Skid Row) try to peg whodunnit, Thomas could've find out the truth and blackmailed Marcus into breaking up with Dayzee.

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IMO,that was the only part that worked and the fact that they didn't fully commit was where it flopped to me. Brenda and Dante should have had an affair and he should have been Alec's father. They half assed it instead

Another was Dixie's 2006 return on AMC. She was a beloved character and fans waited years for she and Tad to have a kid. The story was f'd up from the moment we saw he and learned she was intentionally staying away and let her family think she died. It went did hill when we found out she gave her kid away and instead of reuniting her with Tad, she was hung up on Zach and was such a bitch. By the time she started to be written like Dixie and was back with Tad, she was taken out by pancakes and found her child in the afterlife, or so we thought

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Actually I think the mob could have been done so much better on GL...( I know, I know, I hated it too.) It started out okay as Danny being the reluctant son who was going into a respectable profession, but was pushed into it when his brother died, but the guy who played Danny, when he tried to be "tough," was hilarious. Anyway, I had always thought that Carmen comes back to town (NOT that the Santos were there all along) to find who her killed her son but also to establish a respectable legitimate life there. After her husband died she has been trying to bring the family into respectful social prominence, but the brutal son keeps getting into trouble so she sends him to SF where Danny is in school where he gets killed anyway. Carmen, not being able to leave her past behind in Miami, moves back to SF, (where later it will be revealed that she grew up there, and because of being Latino had a hard time in Lily White SF. As a poor kid she turned to doing tricks to get by and met Mr. Santos the mob boss who forced her into marriage and two kids, but that comes out later..when we find out she did kill him when he tried to rape her again..) After the backstory things fall pretty much as it happened on screen, Danny saves Michelle by marrying her and Carmen, instead of wanting to kill her all the time, sees this as the golden opportunity to gain entrance to SF society by using the Bauer connections, until she can indeed get her revenge on Michelle. So we see both Carmen and Michelle playing games as Michelle works to uncover Carmen's supposed secret business deals. Carmen goes after Alan who delights in her ruthlessness and that she actually has business savy, and she is GREAT in the sack (I thought Santiago was a bad actress but sex on heals) but he wont marry her as she is beneath him. Of course, Carmen finds out something on Alan, (we will find out later this involves what really happened to Roger Thorpe) she blackmails him into marrying her. That is when Alex returns to town to interfere, and she has a big surprise, she has brought along her lover, Mike Bauer, head of the crime commission in D.C, who has been investigating Danny's dad's death (Carmen framed a family enemy for it and that person would be none other then Gus' adoptive dad...) Of course, through it all Chele and Danny do fall in love but the emphasis would be on the Carmen being not totally legit but not a mob boss, her attempts to break into society while hating all the major families (I would have her really hate Vanessa, who she saw get everything in life while she turned tricks...)

It would be much darker then it played, but don't bring on a crime family to make it cartoony and there are no consequences.

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