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#1 allmc2008

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:38 AM

Lets pretend for a moment that in the late 80's Bell decided to write for AMC/OLTL and Nixon decided to write for B&B/Y&R with full history of each others work. What would Bell have done to the Nixon shows and vice-versa?

 

I don't know much about Bell's work so this will be fun for me and for others who are not familiar with either Bell's work or Nixon's work!!

 

Correction: Does not need to be the 80's!!! I said that because that is when both shows were on fire!!!!


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#2 Winchester91

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:41 AM

Black Agnes would be responsible for Neil and Druscilla...the best black couple since Jesus and Mary Magdalene. 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:50 AM

wonder who would've been Y&R's version of Erica/Mona??? (Nikki/Victoria??)


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:56 AM

Mary and Patty, maybe, Cassadine? 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:57 AM

Liz/Jill, obviously, if the criteria wasn't late 80's. 


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#6 cassadine1991

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 12:58 AM

no I wonder how Bill Bell would've written the Martin family and of course the Lords in the late 80s? I doubt we would've gotten Eterna


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:00 AM

Black Agnes would be responsible for Neil and Druscilla...the best black couple since Jesus and Mary Magdalene. 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:01 AM

Liz/Jill, obviously, if the criteria wasn't late 80's. 

oh that's right it's for late 80s.. so it could be Nikki/Victoria.. who was the other mother/daughters at the time [Dina/Ashley]??


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:07 AM

no I wonder how Bill Bell would've written the Martin family and of course the Lords in the late 80s? I doubt we would've gotten Eterna

Martins would have been gone. Bell doesn't do lower class white families well (look how isolated Jill became by the mid-80'). Erica would be less camp and more of a dark figure. Dorian would be written more akin to Katherine Chancellor, with Megan or Gabrielle being Jill. 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:13 AM

Martins would have been gone. Bell doesn't do lower class white families well (look how isolated Jill became by the mid-80'). Erica would be less camp and more of a dark figure. Dorian would be written more akin to Katherine Chancellor, with Megan or Gabrielle being Jill. 

well what about how Bell wrote the Hortons on Days (oops that was in 70s not the late 80s), yeah look how he drove out the Brooks and Fosters, that's a shame..

 

wonder if he would've wrote the Buchanans and other Lords??? I bet Buchanan Enterprises would be written like Newman Enterprises, I doubt he'd have Lord Enterprises (The Banner, Lord/Manning Plant, the other radio/TV stations) like Jabot 


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:49 AM

Bianca Montgomery would have been Victoria Newman, including straightness.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:09 AM

They would've both been terrible writing each others soaps. The two have a completely different point of view and style. This is why the ABC invasion hasn't worked for Y&R the past 10 years. The style is just too different, so each regime, plucked from the ABC mindset (same for the actors), is always going to be wrong. Days (and Passions) has more in common with the Bell soaps due to shared staff and then I could see the PGP soaps blending better with Agnes' ABC soaps. I could see Doug Marland on AMC or OLTL and I could see Agnes on ATWT or GL, but that's about it.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:27 AM

Liz/Jill, obviously, if the criteria wasn't late 80's. 

 

 

no I wonder how Bill Bell would've written the Martin family and of course the Lords in the late 80s? I doubt we would've gotten Eterna

 

 

oh that's right it's for late 80s.. so it could be Nikki/Victoria.. who was the other mother/daughters at the time [Dina/Ashley]??

 

 

well what about how Bell wrote the Hortons on Days (oops that was in 70s not the late 80s), yeah look how he drove out the Brooks and Fosters, that's a shame..

 

wonder if he would've wrote the Buchanans and other Lords??? I bet Buchanan Enterprises would be written like Newman Enterprises, I doubt he'd have Lord Enterprises (The Banner, Lord/Manning Plant, the other radio/TV stations) like Jabot 

I corrected my OP with:

Does not need to be the 80's!!! I said that because that is when both shows were on fire!!!!

I now feel regretful because there cold have been so interesting responses. Also, I would like some explanation.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 01:11 AM

Erica would be written like Sheila Carter, with Brooke as Lauren. happy.png


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:30 AM

Assuming Bell didn't create Y&R and took over as HW of AMC after Agnes I would assume he would have kept the show fairly similar to her vision. While giving it more of a psychological slant, a little darker, less humour. I think there would have been more singing and more crazies running around Pine Valley. I think he would have played up the Brooke/Erica feud more and Erica would have become Jill and Mona would be Liz, I say that only because they already fit that mould anyway. Stories would have moved a lot slower. He would have had a writing protege like Pat Falken-Smith or Kay Alden who would have taken over after he retired.

 

When I see B&B I can see similarities to Y&R but Days didn't look like Y&R at all, which says to me Bell was capable of taking someone else's vision and adding to it, rather than gutting it and making it what he wanted. Established characters didn't suddenly change personality just because Bell took over, and the ones he added don't come across as early versions of the ones he created on Y&R or B&B.

 

As for Agnes if she hadn't created any shows and simply took over Y&R at some point, I think we would have seen a lighter show, even more family oriented with heavier social issues. I think it would have moved a lot faster too. It is harder for me to comment on Agnes as I haven't watched a lot of her AMC and OLTL. 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

If Bill Bell had taken over AMC in the late 80s, I assume he would have had Erica/Travis/Jackson as a main triangle for several years instead of two or three years.  He did like his siblings falling for the same person (as evidenced by Lori/Leslie falling for Brad and later Lance).  I agree that he didn't do middle class, nor working class characters as well.. so I think the Martins would have been phased out like the Fosters/Williams families were phased out on Y & R.  I think he would have positioned the Cortlandts and Chandler in the same way he wrote the Newmans/Abbots.

 

I know Y & R had social issue stories in the late 80s/early 90s.. but I think Agnes Nixon would have had some of those social issue stories involving the main cast as opposed to a short-term character... plus, I don't think she would have had Cricket/Christine involved in every social issue story... I think she would have had a ball writing for Nina (since I think she was still very rough around the edges in the late 80s).. but probably would have revealed Nina as a prostitute hence why she ended up pregnant and having her baby stolen.  I do wonder if she would have written a Who Killed David Kimball story since he was a slimeball like Will Cortlandt was.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:43 AM

Agnes would've loved Nina's mother, Flo. That's was as close to an Agnes-type character Bill probably created on Y&R during that time. 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:16 AM

well what about how Bell wrote the Hortons on Days (oops that was in 70s not the late 80s), yeah look how he drove out the Brooks and Fosters, that's a shame..

 

wonder if he would've wrote the Buchanans and other Lords??? I bet Buchanan Enterprises would be written like Newman Enterprises, I doubt he'd have Lord Enterprises (The Banner, Lord/Manning Plant, the other radio/TV stations) like Jabot 

Bell didn't "drive out" the Fosters and Brookes. By his own admission, he created the Abbott family because so many of the popular younger actors in the Brookes and Foster families left the show and had to be recast, not once but twice. It was a huge gamble, and the show's ratings suffered for awhile, but he smartly realized he could generate as much excitement with a new core family, with new faces and new stories. If the actors portraying Snapper, Greg, Leslie, etc. had stayed, he would have gladly written for them. But constantly replacing them only diluted the power of the stories he wanted to tell with specific actors. As for writing OLTL and AMC, both shows would have been more grounded and less camp. Good or bad. 


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