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#1 allmc2008

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

What are/were some of the worst toxic HW/EP combo's? Such as Guza and Phelps or Frank and Ron. I am also wondering how bad it would be if Phelps and McTavish were at AMC together and other "Train wrecks waiting to happen"! Sorry for being morbid!!


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#2 Nothin'ButAttitude

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:55 PM

Goutman & Passanante

 

Wheeler & Kreizman

 

Arena-Bell & Rauch

 

DePreist & Phelps

 

Higley & ANYONE

 

Wheeler & Weston


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#3 yr9190

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

MAB and JFP would have been a NIGHTMARE!!!
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#4 allmc2008

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

MAB and JFP would have been a NIGHTMARE!!!

I have a feeling JFP would kill MAB! MAB seems like some stuck up WASPy blue blood that belongs to the "Daughters of Fine Lineage" or something while JFP reminds me of some mafia princess.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

paul rauch, great producer! claire labine, great writer! together at GL, bad combination!
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:35 AM

JFP seems to have had issue with a number of people--prob because (her time at GH, it seems, aside) she likes to control the overall vision of the show.  WIth McTavish, particularly on OLTL that meantthat McTavish seemed to agree to all of her ideas (and Pam Long said that the recent she was so brief at OLTL was exactly that).


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

MAB and JFP would have been a NIGHTMARE!!!

 

For the cast and crew of Y&R?  Definitely.

 

For those of us here who love to chew on every piece of delicious backstage gossip?  Hell to the no.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:58 AM

Josh Griffith and MAB. They fired the wrong one.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:09 AM

Wheeler controlled story on GL. Rauch liked to control everything, and didn't deal well with women in power. JFP just likes to bring on her friends, and doesn't consider the consequences to the show she is running. Goutman also spooled a lot of story ideas that the writers had to follow. Therefore, any combination of these EPs with a headwriter, IMO, is/was bad.

Let the writer write. It should be the job of the EP to make the best of that vision. Not the other way around.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:41 AM

Paul Rauch & Harding Lemay. The created a masterpiece at AW (from what I've heard and little I've been privileged to see), but from reading Lemay's Eight Years in Another World, they despised one another & clashed.

Oh guess I can add Irna Phillips & Harding Lemay too.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

John Conboy/Ellen Weston - GL

Ellen Wheeler/David Kreizman - GL

 

John Valente/Henry Stern and Stephen Black - ATWT

 

 

I agree with Goutman and Passanante.

 

I agree the EP should produce and let his writers write. He was the real HW for ATWT in the later years.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:48 AM

Goutman/Sheffer should be on this list.


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#13 Khan

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:22 PM

Goutman and Sheffer.  It don't get more toxic than that, ladies and gentlemen.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:37 PM

Ken Corday and any Head Writer?


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:17 PM

Gloria and Norma Monty!!!!!!! Perfect example of nepotism!!


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

Jill Farren Phelps and Bob Guza. Lethal combination... to ratings. 


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:37 PM

John Conboy/Ellen Weston - GL

Ellen Wheeler/David Kreizman - GL

 

John Valente/Henry Stern and Stephen Black - ATWT

 

 

I agree with Goutman and Passanante.

 

I agree the EP should produce and let his writers write. He was the real HW for ATWT in the later years.

Ugh I still can't believe Stern and Black were hired for ATWT (they were the ones who did that inane Playboy "soap" Eden, right?)

 

I do mostly agree the writer should write and the EP carry out that vision.  That said the strongest shows often had an EP who did have his own artistic vision for the show--if not exactly dictating storylines (which never seems to work), but one about what the feel and theme of a show should be.  This would include Paul Rauch during his best time at OLTL (prob when Peggy O'Shea wrote), and most of AW (and Lemay certainly had at least an equally strong vision), as well Behr at AMC, Riche at GH and Gottlieb at OLTL.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

Jill Farren Phelps and Bob Guza. Lethal combination... to ratings. 

 

As devastating as that era was I think the ratings were actually considered decent until their last year or two.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:11 PM

As devastating as that era was I think the ratings were actually considered decent until their last year or two.

Two years that saw more and more fans flee, while JFP and RG plowed ahead with their dark, mob/Sonny/Jason focus, unable or unwilling to respond to the audience that was rejecting their work. 


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 07:16 PM

What are/were some of the worst toxic HW/EP combo's? Such as Guza and Phelps or Frank and Ron. I am also wondering how bad it would be if Phelps and McTavish were at AMC together and other "Train wrecks waiting to happen"! Sorry for being morbid!!

I realize that it's fashionable to hate on Frank and Ron, but IMO, they have done way more good for soaps than anyone in recent memory. They seem to have a real commitment and affection for the genre. No, they are not perfect, but it just seems too easy for everyone to shoot poison arrows at those guys. YAWN. 


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