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[alphanguy74]

Allright, y'all can put your chicken suits back in the closet!! I hope this doens't mean bad things for other vets. I picture this show in 10 years with everyone under 50, and 80 year old Victor impregnating women and kicking the asses of men in their 20's.

[Juliajms]

alphanguy74, on 23 October 2009 - 08:00 PM, said:

Allright, y'all can put your chicken suits back in the closet!! I hope this doens't mean bad things for other vets. I picture this show in 10 years with everyone under 50, and 80 year old Victor impregnating women and kicking the asses of men in their 20's.

[Vee]

I don't side with the suits. I understand times are tough and belts need to be tightened, but what they were doing with Braeden and especially Jess Walton and MTS seemed nasty and petty, trying to make an example of people. Y&R's creative situation is such that they cannot afford to be playing these games with such iconic characters as Jill, Victor and Nikki.

That being said, if they had a better writing team in place they MIGHT have been able to make a go out of revamping the show with a renewed focus on Jill, Kay, the Chancellors (not just the kids) AND someone like either William Russ or William Devane, the two actors mentioned as possible "new Victors." Those two men are powerhouses.

[Juliajms]

Vee, on 23 October 2009 - 08:14 PM, said:

I don't side with the suits. I understand times are tough and belts need to be tightened, but what they were doing with Braeden and especially Jess Walton and MTS seemed nasty and petty, trying to make an example of people. Y&R's creative situation is such that they cannot afford to be playing these games with such iconic characters as Jill, Victor and Nikki.

That being said, if they had a better writing team in place they MIGHT have been able to make a go out of revamping the show with a renewed focus on Jill, Kay, the Chancellors (not just the kids) AND someone like either William Russ or William Devane, the two actors mentioned as possible "new Victors." Those two men are powerhouses.

I think so too, but if they ever want to do this now would be the time to bring this character on. Don't wait until EB is out the door again. But I suppose economic factors preclude this to some extent.

[Ann_SS]

If Y&R was smart, they would still bring William Russ and/or William Devane on board as long term characters and rivals to Victor. They would both wipe the floor with Braeden and help phase him out when the time is right.

This post has been edited by Ann_SS: 23 October 2009 - 10:41 PM

[DeeeDee]

CarlD2, on 23 October 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

The worst part is this means Y&R gets to continue to play "let's pretend", and ignore just how rotted to the core the Newman family has become. That means they can continue to phase the Abbotts out, continue to phase the Winters out, continue to marginalize and demean the Chancellors. All for Victor and his dead-eyed children.

It wouldn't be so bad if his children were played by good actors.

But when three of the four can't act & the other is in need of a strong director it doesn't bode well.

[DeeeDee]

Ann_SS, on 23 October 2009 - 11:40 PM, said:

If Y&R was smart, they would still bring William Russ and/or William Devane on board as long term characters and rivals to Victor. They would both wipe the floor with Braeden and help phase him out when the time is right.

Will Devane & Eileen Davidson

[alphanguy74]

DeeeDee, on 23 October 2009 - 11:51 PM, said:

It wouldn't be so bad if his children were played by good actors.

But when three of the four can't act & the other is in need of a strong director it doesn't bode well.

Absolutely. I'm assuming Morrow is the one in need of a strong director?

[Toups]

Great news! Nobody can replace The Great Victor Newman.

[CarlD2]

alphanguy74, on 23 October 2009 - 11:00 PM, said:

Allright, y'all can put your chicken suits back in the closet!! I hope this doens't mean bad things for other vets. I picture this show in 10 years with everyone under 50, and 80 year old Victor impregnating women and kicking the asses of men in their 20's.

I imagine it's not great at all for the other vets. Victor is the easy writing choice. They can just have him run over everyone, slur the day away, while everyone is crushed underfoot. They allow a huge number of characters to revolve around him because that means they don't have to make an effort. Even now, when he was almost out the door, we had to repeatedly hear reminders that Jack was as responsible for Patty (I don't buy it).

Now that they have the name which automatically makes their job easier, that means most of the other vets are either going to be reduced to his pathetic foils (like what they did to Jill this year, and what they've done to Jack for some time now), or his chattel (Nikki and Ashley). That's even if any of these people stay on the show. I would guess Jill, Nikki, and Jack's days are numbered.

Since Billy is the new Jack, I wonder if Victor will give him a pummeling.

I expect to see, in time, Victor become this show's version of the Richard Nixon robot terror thing on Futurama.

This post has been edited by CarlD2: 24 October 2009 - 01:34 AM

[CarlD2]

Vee, on 23 October 2009 - 11:14 PM, said:

I don't side with the suits. I understand times are tough and belts need to be tightened, but what they were doing with Braeden and especially Jess Walton and MTS seemed nasty and petty, trying to make an example of people. Y&R's creative situation is such that they cannot afford to be playing these games with such iconic characters as Jill, Victor and Nikki.

That being said, if they had a better writing team in place they MIGHT have been able to make a go out of revamping the show with a renewed focus on Jill, Kay, the Chancellors (not just the kids) AND someone like either William Russ or William Devane, the two actors mentioned as possible "new Victors." Those two men are powerhouses.

They could both add a lot to the show with the proper writing (Russ may be best known for a sitcom, but then I think Braeden's best known credit before Y&R was as a villain on Wonder Woman). Now that EB is staying that seems unlikely.

[sheilaforever]

I don't think Braeden caved.
He likes the show and therefore probably took the cut (which he stated he's willing to) but I would assume that he had his lawyers do the Reilly contract and that SONY has to pay him for the entire term of contract now - no matter what even if he'd be "fired" a day after signing this document. 3 years of stable income, especially at his age in the entertainment industry, is sth. worth more than just the money.

[Toups]

sheilaforever, on 24 October 2009 - 04:17 AM, said:

I don't think Braeden caved.
He likes the show and therefore probably took the cut (which he stated he's willing to) but I would assume that he had his lawyers do the Reilly contract and that SONY has to pay him for the entire term of contract now - no matter what even if he'd be "fired" a day after signing this document. 3 years of stable income, especially at his age in the entertainment industry, is sth. worth more than just the money.

Yeah, I would love to know the terms of the contract. If Braeden got a "play or pay" deal ala Reilly in exchance for the pay cut, I think Braeden wins that deal.

Also, I think people underestimate Braeden's star status. It's so rare that entertainment sites like EW.com or The Wrap covered this story so closely. The only other star who would garner this much attention would be Susan Lucci. Y&R losing EB/TGVN would've been a huge blow - losing someone who's been front burner for pretty much almost 30 years. When most people think of Y&R, they think of Victor Newman.

[dmarex]

Great news!

[Sylph]

Splendid. Simply splendid...

[DeeeDee]

alphanguy74, on 24 October 2009 - 12:19 AM, said:

I'm assuming Morrow is the one in need of a strong director?

Muhney.

Morrow is so lazy it's a crime.

[MarkH]

Toups, on 24 October 2009 - 04:28 AM, said:

Yeah, I would love to know the terms of the contract. If Braeden got a "play or pay" deal ala Reilly in exchance for the pay cut, I think Braeden wins that deal.

Also, I think people underestimate Braeden's star status. It's so rare that entertainment sites like EW.com or The Wrap covered this story so closely. The only other star who would garner this much attention would be Susan Lucci. Y&R losing EB/TGVN would've been a huge blow - losing someone who's been front burner for pretty much almost 30 years. When most people think of Y&R, they think of Victor Newman.

Yup. The mention of the "new three-year contract" is very specific. I have assumed that he traded salary for a much more secure contract. We can bet he'll never tolerate 26 week cycles again.

[DeeeDee]

alphanguy74, on 24 October 2009 - 12:19 AM, said:

I'm assuming Morrow is the one in need of a strong director?

Muhney.

Morrow is so lazy it's a crime.

[MarkH]

DeeeDee, on 24 October 2009 - 06:56 AM, said:

Muhney.

Morrow is so lazy it's a crime.

But would you agree that with a strong director even Morrow can pull it out?

Whereas Erin and Heinle...can't?

[Zendall Fan]

Interesting how he reached an agreement with them once it was said they had people already to go to replace him.

This post has been edited by Zendall Fan: 24 October 2009 - 06:42 AM