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http://www.thewrap.c...g-restless-9110

[Ruxton Hills]

I am glad EB is staying.

[CarlD2]

The worst part is this means Y&R gets to continue to play "let's pretend", and ignore just how rotted to the core the Newman family has become. That means they can continue to phase the Abbotts out, continue to phase the Winters out, continue to marginalize and demean the Chancellors. All for Victor and his dead-eyed children.

[aMLCproduction]

hello, Ann I was wondering do you watch Y&R? Was not to sure if you did or not?

Ann_SS, on 23 October 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

Braeden's ego must have been dented and threatened by the published casting rumors about William Russ and William Devane. Sony knows how to play hardball.

It really is too bad. Y&R would have been better off without him.

[MarkH]

CarlD2, on 23 October 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

The worst part is this means Y&R gets to continue to play "let's pretend", and ignore just how rotted to the core the Newman family has become. That means they can continue to phase the Abbotts out, continue to phase the Winters out, continue to marginalize and demean the Chancellors. All for Victor and his dead-eyed children.

OMG, LMAO!!

If the Newman clan is dead-eyed, what about Billy Abbott (your favorite)?

I actually agree with you, though. The relatability of the Newmans has been significantly compromised. This is actually one of the reasons I like Adam a bit...because he shows some sign of soul on occasion. And I do not believe that is all fake on his part.

[lmfan]

MarkH, on 23 October 2009 - 09:14 PM, said:

It makes me uncomfortable (just me...not judging you!) this language of "crawling back". It all seems so inhumane. Where is the sense that these are employees who have brought great value to the organization. We can take some kind of a proletariat view of "how dare he complain about making only $1 million/year?"...but a 33% pay reduction is a significant one.

Moreover, Braeden's expressed complaint was about the nastiness and the inhumanity.

My guess is that -- again -- an intermediary did some "goodwill ambassador" work. Was it Les Moonves? Was it the Bell family?

Who knows, but I'm glad that saner heads seem to have prevailed.



I deeply disagree about "Y&R would have been better off..." And I have a hard time applauding the manipulative strong-arm tactics of mentioning these big names. It's all so un-adult.

Totally agree Mark. It is the manipulation and lack of respect in all this that is so insulting and frankly embarrassing to all parties involved and it certainly doesn't help an already weak industry. IT is dirty, petty and so un-adult as you said.

[Lucid]

Sony has confirmed that it has signed a new deal with Eric Braeden to keep the soap opera veteran on The Young and the Restless. Braeden, 68, was preparing to say goodbye to the show that he called home since 1980 after the production company demanded that he take what he described as a ”substantial” pay cut to his seven-figure salary. Terms of the new deal were not released but a source familiar with the negotiations said the actor ended up accepting a pay decrease in exchange for a new, three-year pact.

“We’re very happy that Eric will be remaining with The Young and the Restless,’” according to a CBS statement. “Victor Newman has been an important part of the Genoa City canvas for nearly 30 years, and we know our audience will be tuning in to see what his plans are next.”

Executive Producer/head writer Maria Arena Bell released her own statement, as well: “We are thrilled to have Eric Braeden continue as the one and only Victor Newman. We look forward to his timely return … and we are delighted that Eric will continue his extraordinary work on The Young and the Restless.’”



http://news-briefs.e...d-the-restless/

[lmfan]

MarkH, on 23 October 2009 - 09:24 PM, said:

OMG, LMAO!!

If the Newman clan is dead-eyed, what about Billy Abbott (your favorite)?

I actually agree with you, though. The relatability of the Newmans has been significantly compromised. This is actually one of the reasons I like Adam a bit...because he shows some sign of soul on occasion. And I do not believe that is all fake on his part.

Adam has soul while the other kids are dead eyes. OMG, can't agree with that one. Nick and Victoria are bores and barely adequate actors, but to say Adam has more soul is just wrong. Why are you willing to forgive his sick misdeeds so easily? He hasn't even had to work for redemption at this point. Just because he thought of his mother and cried on the stairs and is making friends with two women he manipulated and damaged so badly does not give him a soul.

The best thing about EB returning is that they hopefully will not try to make this sickening character, Adam, the head of this family.

Lucid, on 23 October 2009 - 09:29 PM, said:

Sony has confirmed that it has signed a new deal with Eric Braeden to keep the soap opera veteran on The Young and the Restless. Braeden, 68, was preparing to say goodbye to the show that he called home since 1980 after the production company demanded that he take what he described as a ”substantial” pay cut to his seven-figure salary. Terms of the new deal were not released but a source familiar with the negotiations said the actor ended up accepting a pay decrease in exchange for a new, three-year pact.

“We’re very happy that Eric will be remaining with The Young and the Restless,’” according to a CBS statement. “Victor Newman has been an important part of the Genoa City canvas for nearly 30 years, and we know our audience will be tuning in to see what his plans are next.”

Executive Producer/head writer Maria Arena Bell released her own statement, as well: “We are thrilled to have Eric Braeden continue as the one and only Victor Newman. We look forward to his timely return … and we are delighted that Eric will continue his extraordinary work on The Young and the Restless.’”



http://news-briefs.e...d-the-restless/

I wonder if he was able to close that pesky clause where SONY can renegotiate every cyle.

[Juliajms]

The fact that he was making 1.5 million dollars makes me wonder what he and MTS were earning in the glory days of the 90's. I consider this good news for Y&R (if not for me personally). I just hope that EB got some kind of deal where he gets more vacation in return for the pay cut. That way those of us who aren't exactly Victor fans get something out of this too.

[kalbir]

I'm so relieved. I was worried for a while that Eric Braeden was gone for good.

This post has been edited by kalbir: 23 October 2009 - 08:51 PM

[MarkH]

lmfan, on 23 October 2009 - 09:33 PM, said:

Adam has soul while the other kids are dead eyes. OMG, can't agree with that one. Nick and Victoria are bores and barely adequate actors, but to say Adam has more soul is just wrong. Why are you willing to forgive his sick misdeeds so easily? He hasn't even had to work for redemption at this point. Just because he thought of his mother and cried on the stairs and is making friends with two women he manipulated and damaged so badly does not give him a soul.

I wonder if he was able to close that pesky clause where SONY can renegotiate every cyle.

I wondered the same thing, since he now reportedly has a new 3-year deal. I'll be he made that one ironclad--no "cycles".

I think, for Adam, there are several reasons I'm so forgiving. First, he's Hope's son. Second, he really got a bum deal when he came to Genoa City...he didn't need that family, but they have destroyed him. Third, while he has been bad, some of his worst acts were reckless--not intentional. Fourth, some of the bad things he has done (like stealing Sharon's baby) came from a sick place of good intentions (making it up to Ashley). Fifth, they've tried to show us he has a soul. Sixth, they didn't play his "turn to the dark side" (in prison--he was off canvas for a bit), so we don't fully know his motivations. Seventh, I have a mental backstory for him that helps to explain why he is the way he is. Eight, I have wanted to get to "know" Victor Jr. since Hope first got pregnant. I don't want these writing errors to cheat us out of that.

Juliajms, on 23 October 2009 - 09:34 PM, said:

The fact that he was making 1.5 million dollars makes me wonder what he and MTS were earning in the glory days of the 90's. I consider this good news for Y&R (if not for me personally). I just hope that EB got some kind of deal where he gets more vacation in return for the pay cut. That way those of us who aren't exactly Victor fans get something out of this too.

LOL about Victor and the vacation.

[Ann_SS]

MarkH, on 23 October 2009 - 09:14 PM, said:

It makes me uncomfortable (just me...not judging you!) this language of "crawling back". It all seems so inhumane. Where is the sense that these are employees who have brought great value to the organization. We can take some kind of a proletariat view of "how dare he complain about making only $1 million/year?"...but a 33% pay reduction is a significant one.

Proletariat? Wow, you know a big word. This is how capitalism works. I was one of the few people sympathizing with the actors having to take a pay cut, but Braeden's ego was f'ing out of control in those interviews where you were cheering him on. I find your indoctrination into the culture of celebrity, the new opiate, that allows you have so much empathy for celebrities you don't know to be far more representative of the proletariat. I hope that you feel this much uncomfortableness when autoworkers and other factory workers would get a pittance compared to Braeden and get strong armed into taking huge pay cuts and fewer benefits.

Oh, Y&R would have been just fine without Braeden.

This post has been edited by Ann_SS: 23 October 2009 - 09:02 PM

[Juliajms]

Ann_SS, on 23 October 2009 - 06:55 PM, said:

Oh please. Don't throw your proletariat BS at me. What country do you live in? This is how capitalism works. I was one of the few people sympathizing with the actors having to take a pay cut, but Braeden's ego was f'ing out of control in those interviews where you were cheering him on. I find your blind indoctrination into the culture of celebrity allows you have so much empathy for celebrities you don't know way more embarrassing. I hope that you feel this much uncomfortableness when autoworkers and other factory workers would get a pittance compared to Braeden and get strong armed into taking huge pay cuts and fewer benefits.

Oh, Y&R would have been just fine without Braeden.

I'm not so sure and I think if Sony were that sure they wouldn't be paying him his 1 million dollars or whatever it is. On the other hand, a small part of me wanted to find out if Y&R would have been fine without him. I was hoping it would be whenwe got the news he was out. Victor goes back and forth between being a love to hate character for me and I a character I just simply hate. After this Colleen business, I'm on the side of hate. But the show and all the characters still revolve around Victor. He is at the center of nearly everyone's motivations. If they ever do want to kill the king, they really need to recenter this show first, imo.

[Juliajms]

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Proletariat? Wow, you know a big word.

You say this to the person who is continually accused of using "5 dollar" words? Anyway, since when is proletariat a big word? I'm pretty sure we all learned it by the 8th grade.

[CarlD2]

MarkH, on 23 October 2009 - 09:54 PM, said:

I think, for Adam, there are several reasons I'm so forgiving. First, he's Hope's son. Second, he really got a bum deal when he came to Genoa City...he didn't need that family, but they have destroyed him. Third, while he has been bad, some of his worst acts were reckless--not intentional. Fourth, some of the bad things he has done (like stealing Sharon's baby) came from a sick place of good intentions (making it up to Ashley). Fifth, they've tried to show us he has a soul. Sixth, they didn't play his "turn to the dark side" (in prison--he was off canvas for a bit), so we don't fully know his motivations. Seventh, I have a mental backstory for him that helps to explain why he is the way he is. Eight, I have wanted to get to "know" Victor Jr. since Hope first got pregnant. I don't want these writing errors to cheat us out of that.

As long as this actor is in the role I can't have any sympathy for Adam. He's just cold and has no connection with scene partners.

I think everything he did was intentional. He knew Ashley was in danger of losing her child. He knew what he was doing with Rafe. He knew he was going to steal the baby.

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OMG, LMAO!!

If the Newman clan is dead-eyed, what about Billy Abbott (your favorite)?

I actually agree with you, though. The relatability of the Newmans has been significantly compromised. This is actually one of the reasons I like Adam a bit...because he shows some sign of soul on occasion. And I do not believe that is all fake on his part.

Billy's eyes also show nothing, beyond occasional hints of madness.

The show really has to try to find a way for their great names of the future to actually develop some chemistry with screen partners. Anyone. I am consistently baffled at how dead a lot of scenes between Adam or Billy and other people are. Billy and Katherine today, it was like they were in a different scene entirely.

I guess Josh Morrow does have chemistry with people. When he tries.

Amelia Heinle...lost cause. But then she's a woman so she doesn't matter to them anyway.

[Ann_SS]

Juliajms, on 23 October 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

You say this to the person who is continually accused of using "5 dollar" words?

I have no idea what this means.

Juliajms, on 23 October 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

Anyway, since when is proletariat a big word? I'm pretty sure we all learned it by the 8th grade.

I was being sarcastic.

Juliajms, on 23 October 2009 - 10:03 PM, said:

I'm not so sure and I think if Sony were that sure they wouldn't be paying him his 1 million dollars or whatever it is. On the other hand, a small part of me wanted to find out if Y&R would have been fine without him. I was hoping it would be whenwe got the news he was out. Victor goes back and forth between being a love to hate character for me and I a character I just simply hate. After this Colleen business, I'm on the side of hate. But the show and all the characters still revolve around Victor. He is at the center of nearly everyone's motivations. If they ever do want to kill the king, they really need to recenter this show first, imo.

We'll never know, but that was and still is my opinion.

[MarkH]

Ann_SS, on 23 October 2009 - 09:55 PM, said:

Proletariat? Wow, you know a big word. This is how capitalism works. I was one of the few people sympathizing with the actors having to take a pay cut, but Braeden's ego was f'ing out of control in those interviews where you were cheering him on. I find your indoctrination into the culture of celebrity, the new opiate, that allows you have so much empathy for celebrities you don't know to be far more representative of the proletariat. I hope that you feel this much uncomfortableness when autoworkers and other factory workers would get a pittance compared to Braeden and get strong armed into taking huge pay cuts and fewer benefits.

Oh, Y&R would have been just fine without Braeden.

I'm sorry to have made you defensive, or upset. I didn't use the word to be fancy...it was the only word that came to my mind. Although the opiate follow-up was kind of cool! .

Actually, this very evening, I watched a DVRd copy of The Last Truck, an HBO documentary about the closing of an Ohio GM Truck plant. It was very affecting. Because I actually worked in an auto parts warehouse for a few years, I "knew" those guys and women in some sense. Displacement is a terrible thing.

Braeden has earned MILLIONS (maybe billions) for Sony. But independent of whether he's worth what he's making, the way in which Sony is apparently handling this business sounds truly Dickensian. I don't like it, but I meant what I wrote above--that's just my personal reaction. I truly wasn't judging.

Juliajms, on 23 October 2009 - 10:07 PM, said:

You say this to the person who is continually accused of using "5 dollar" words? Anyway, since when is proletariat a big word? I'm pretty sure we all learned it by the 8th grade.

Well, you all went to better schools than me. I didn't learn it until freshman sociology!

Ann_SS, on 23 October 2009 - 10:14 PM, said:

I have no idea what this means.

I suspect she's referring to the time Khan accused me of using too many big words.

[CarlD2]

MarkH, on 23 October 2009 - 10:29 PM, said:

Braeden has earned MILLIONS (maybe billions) for Sony. But independent of whether he's worth what he's making, the way in which Sony is apparently handling this business sounds truly Dickensian. I don't like it, but I meant what I wrote above--that's just my personal reaction. I truly wasn't judging.

At first I read that as Dicksonian. I imagined the Sony execs yelling HEIL HITLER!! during the contract negotiations with various stars.

[MarkH]

CarlD2, on 23 October 2009 - 10:30 PM, said:

At first I read that as Dicksonian. I imagined the Sony execs yelling HEIL HITLER!! during the contract negotiations with various stars.

Today, when that Restless Style socialite was holding that pooch, I kind of thought--then wished--that that had been Dickson on the cover.

[classicmoment]

Honestly if an ounce of me care anything or do not care anything for the Newman core family now the only one (w/Victor and Nikki removed) left for me to care about would have been never seen (unless; insert idiotic Sharon/Nick/Phyllis triangle plot driving ridiculous dribble here^) Noah

[Juliajms]

Here is an article from EW with some quotes from EB.

http://news-briefs.e...d-the-restless/