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3 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Meg Snyder.  Just saying.

 

Exactly.  It's almost like what happened, according to Christopher Schemering, when ABC lured Denise Alexander away from DAYS, where she'd been portraying the popular Susan Martin.  In one of his books (forget which one), Schemering says GH's then-producer Jeff Young objected not to ABC's hiring Alexander but to hiring her without having a developed character in mind beforehand.  Subsequently, Alexander's Lesley apparently languished on the show until Doug Marland came in and wrote the Laura/David Hamilton story for her and Genie Francis.

 

I was watching both DAYS and GH at the time, and losing DA as Susan Martin was a HUGE blow to DAYS. Her character was enormously popular, and always in the throes of major storylines. When the actress moved over to GH, Lesley Williams was just so...unfocused. It took them a long time to figure out what to do with her over there. TPTB often fail to realize that it is not just a performer, herself, who is popular, but rather a specific performer in a specific part. Paul Rauch fought to bring Janice Lynde over to AW, based on her popularity as Leslie Brooks on Y&R, but the problem was...Leslie Brooks was a multi-dimensional character in well-written storylines. Her AW was not. Neither was her OLTL character. Lynde never achieved the popularity anywhere else that she had had on Y&R, because the writing for her other characters just wasn't there.

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6 hours ago, Khan said:

 

Meg Snyder.  Just saying.

 

Exactly.  It's almost like what happened, according to Christopher Schemering, when ABC lured Denise Alexander away from DAYS, where she'd been portraying the popular Susan Martin.  In one of his books (forget which one), Schemering says GH's then-producer Jeff Young objected not to ABC's hiring Alexander but to hiring her without having a developed character in mind beforehand.  Subsequently, Alexander's Lesley apparently languished on the show until Doug Marland came in and wrote the Laura/David Hamilton story for her and Genie Francis.

 

OMG. You are so right. She could've been the perfect Meg recast. 

 

I'm pretty sure even though Denise Alexander languished on GH till Marland's arrival, she still had better stories than what SB was given on B&B and DAYS. She was basically brought on B&B to be Bridget's incubator, who lusted after washed up Jack Wagner. If used correctly, SB would've been the perfect vixen the show needed at the time to rival the likes of KKL, Heather Tom, and Hunter Tylo. 

 

On DAYS, she was fire opposite Lauren Koslow, and it seemed like the show was gonna give Kate a new female rival. DAYS squashed that quickly by having her do nothing but be Brady's bedmate and putting poor Madison Ian Buchanan's dud character. I wish this show had the good sense of putting Madison with Lucas, thus causing Kate to fume over her business rival bedding her son, but of course they didn't do that. :rolleyes: 

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Dumb question, the Brent/Marion story... the audience is supposed to realize that Marion is actually Brent in disguise right? Obviously the characters don't realize it, but viewers were supposed to right? I am so curious how someone watching that story without knowing how it will go would have reacted.

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20 minutes ago, GH_Girl said:

Dumb question, the Brent/Marion story... the audience is supposed to realize that Marion is actually Brent in disguise right? Obviously the characters don't realize it, but viewers were supposed to right? I am so curious how someone watching that story without knowing how it will go would have reacted.

 

I think early on we didn't know but they told us pretty quickly.

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24 minutes ago, Bright Eyes said:

Can someone tell me who the most senior actor in the cast was in 1986?

 

Jerry ver Dorn (Ross), who had started in 1979. By 1986, all the other veteran actors and characters had been slaughtered.

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On 4/18/2017 at 7:27 PM, DRW50 said:

 

I think Rauch and the Labines asked her and maybe Michael Tylo to return for the Mary/Mae Marisi storyline, as she was supposed to be Stacey, but they declined due to the way Rauch had treated them. 

 

I was a huge fan of Sarah Brown as Carly but it never seemed to come together on her other soaps. I'm not sure it would have been any different here.

 

Interesting because I wanted Kimberly McCullough on GL after she left GH in 2000/appeared on AMC in 2001

On 4/18/2017 at 7:31 PM, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

That's nice to know that Rauch and Labine asked them back. I do think that Labine could've possibly written for Nola--her quirkiness and all. 

 

I think SB could've been a good Cassie had it been early, gritty, scrappy Cassie again as @victoria foxton pointed out. I couldn't digest the drip of a person they made Cassie when Nicole Forrestor played her. 

I would've loved to see LW's Cassie react to Tammy's death 

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25 minutes ago, vetsoapfan said:

 

Jerry ver Dorn (Ross), who had started in 1979. By 1986, all the other veteran actors and characters had been slaughtered.

Was Chris Bernau off the show at that point?

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4 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

Was Chris Bernau off the show at that point?

 

I believe he had left in 1984.

 

Bernau did return later in 1986, but ver Dorn was the actor who had been with the show continuously, without interruption, the longest.

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On 4/18/2017 at 9:50 PM, dc11786 said:

 

By the time Hurst arrived, it didn't really matter. The show had already transitioned to the Peapack model. When Grant Alexander returned and Coop died, I tried to watch the show, and the show was horribly produced. Not only did it look bad, but I remember they were playing some overly upbeat melody as Buzz snotted all of over Coop's dead body. And Coop and Beth's affair? WTF?

 

When Hurst was promoted, the show at least had some sense of plotting. I don't remember Kriezman including much plot into his stories.

 

I agree that the Coopers were my least favorite family, but they were the only whole family around for most of the final decade without needing to build them up. I think Kriezman tried early on to make the Bauers work with continuing the Michelle amnesia angle, having Beth and Rick fall into an affair, and attempting to bring back Ed Bauer for the Sebastian/Santa Domingo plot. Wheeler needed to support him more by hiring an actor to play, recasting Michelle with a stronger dramatic actress, and finding someone age appropriate for Paul Anthony Stewart.

 

 

I came in on the tail end of Jenna and Buzz when Holly was terrorizing the mothers of Springfield and Jeffrey had returned. People blamed Lillian for Mo's death, but Holly was downright liable for Jenna's.

 

Driscoll was a nice actor, but I never cared for Coop. I thought the romance with Lizzie was a waste of time.

 

Frank was fine until they decided that Olivia should share Frank and Buzz. To go from men like Bill and Josh Lewis and Alan and Phillip Spaulding to Frank and Buzz Cooper. Yikes!

 

 

GusH was as bad as Manny, if not worse.

 

What they put Robert Newman and Kim Zimmer through those last couple of years was criminal. Reva and Jeffrey, Josh the priest, Josh and Cassie. So many bad ideas, one after another, after another.

 

 

But someone needed to be an ongoing nemesis in the Jonathan and Tammy saga. Who better than Tammy's own mother?

 

 

GL couldn't afford Sarah Brown unless she agreed to be paid in Bible scriptures.

 

 

I think plopping Nola down without either build up would have been equally disastrous. I think there would need to have been build up of the Bauers first or bringing in Bridget via either Dylan or Peter would have been necessary. Otherwise, Stacey's main ties would be to Nancy St. Alban's Michelle (if she was even still around) or Company. 

 

 

I liked Edmund when he was given darker material to play. I actually liked Edmund and Cassie as a couple, but I think they would have eventually run their course and I would have then dumped Edmund. I thought make him the heavy in the Shayne / Marina / Mallet / Dinah Lee story was more convenient than well thought out.

 

 

Aggh did you need to remind me of Buzz and his snot! Justin Deas was a thorn in my GL watching time.(I swear he was on just to chase me away) up until the very end when they threw him into Van and Billy's wedding!!!

 

Disagree on the only "intact" family being the Coopers.  They had the Marlers there the whole time and Ross and Blake were the only couple I can remember having three kids produced in the same relationship (non withstanding the oddity of thinking that one of the boys was Rick's and that Christina was born and her parents were seperated.)  With the addition of Dinah and bringing in Roger's son (it wouldnt have been Sebastian in my world but...) you have a family unit with a matriach and patriarch with teenagers and all their angst, with adult trouble makers involved and the addition of appearences of sarcastic Grandma Holly.  If I were head writer I would have had Rick move into the lighthouse after he divorces Mel (they never worked, and with no Bauers around Rick worked best as a supporting actor like Frank) and Ross and Blake move into the Bauer house (the set was there, Blake basically grew up a Bauer tho the writers ignored it) and center the show around them as the core family. I thought LK would find her stride as a saucy sexy earth mother, and of course Ross had authentic ties to EVERYONE on the canvas, as opposed to Buzz being shoved into relationships as in being Alan's antagonist etc.  It would be nice to see a committed married couple who still liked to hit the sheets.  The recurring joke would be the Marlers kids being embarrassed by their parents "affectionate" relationship.

 

I don't remember, how was Holly responsible for Jenna's death? I didn't care as each time I saw her Buzzard was in tow and I cant forget those months we had of her over a vat of skin cream that was an actual freakin' storyline!

 

I liked Edmund and thought DAM was damn sexy, but never could accept a murderous psycho as a villain. His intro on the show was trying to kill a baby for God's sake!  However, I would have made him Jonathon's father.. I don't know how I would do it as how could Reva forget that..though I could see her tieing one on and having it off with Eddie and forgetting it...I mean, who wouldnt want to get it with Eddie being married to Richard the Dull?I just did not see he and Cassie together especially since they made him so bland.  I think LW works best as a brittle shrew so I woulda had Cassie gone "bad" and embarked on a sick sexual relationship with Eddie..do not tell me the girl did not pull tricks when she got off that stripper pole...she was straight out trailer trash and that version I could have liked.

 

I actually liked Beth and Coop, he was so boring but he perked up and their relationship was kind of sexy. It was nice to see a couple just having sex who liked each other but were not some great Twu Wuv...and really, who would not hit Beth she was looking great!

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mitch said:

 

 

Aggh did you need to remind me of Buzz and his snot! Justin Deas was a thorn in my GL watching time.(I swear he was on just to chase me away) up until the very end when they threw him into Van and Billy's wedding!!!

 

Disagree on the only "intact" family being the Coopers.  They had the Marlers there the whole time and Ross and Blake were the only couple I can remember having three kids produced in the same relationship (non withstanding the oddity of thinking that one of the boys was Rick's and that Christina was born and her parents were seperated.)  With the addition of Dinah and bringing in Roger's son (it wouldnt have been Sebastian in my world but...) you have a family unit with a matriach and patriarch with teenagers and all their angst, with adult trouble makers involved and the addition of appearences of sarcastic Grandma Holly.  If I were head writer I would have had Rick move into the lighthouse after he divorces Mel (they never worked, and with no Bauers around Rick worked best as a supporting actor like Frank) and Ross and Blake move into the Bauer house (the set was there, Blake basically grew up a Bauer tho the writers ignored it) and center the show around them as the core family. I thought LK would find her stride as a saucy sexy earth mother, and of course Ross had authentic ties to EVERYONE on the canvas, as opposed to Buzz being shoved into relationships as in being Alan's antagonist etc.  It would be nice to see a committed married couple who still liked to hit the sheets.  The recurring joke would be the Marlers kids being embarrassed by their parents "affectionate" relationship.

 

I don't remember, how was Holly responsible for Jenna's death? I didn't care as each time I saw her Buzzard was in tow and I cant forget those months we had of her over a vat of skin cream that was an actual freakin' storyline!

 

I liked Edmund and thought DAM was damn sexy, but never could accept a murderous psycho as a villain. His intro on the show was trying to kill a baby for God's sake!  However, I would have made him Jonathon's father.. I don't know how I would do it as how could Reva forget that..though I could see her tieing one on and having it off with Eddie and forgetting it...I mean, who wouldnt want to get it with Eddie being married to Richard the Dull?I just did not see he and Cassie together especially since they made him so bland.  I think LW works best as a brittle shrew so I woulda had Cassie gone "bad" and embarked on a sick sexual relationship with Eddie..do not tell me the girl did not pull tricks when she got off that stripper pole...she was straight out trailer trash and that version I could have liked.

 

I actually liked Beth and Coop, he was so boring but he perked up and their relationship was kind of sexy. It was nice to see a couple just having sex who liked each other but were not some great Twu Wuv...and really, who would not hit Beth she was looking great!

 

 

 

@Mitch, Jeffery overheard Holly reveal that he was the father of Rocky. That caused Jeffery to go confront Jenna, which led to their death in the car. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Nothin'ButAttitude said:

 

@Mitch, Jeffery overheard Holly reveal that he was the father of Rocky. That caused Jeffery to go confront Jenna, which led to their death in the car. 

 

 

So it wasn't really Holly's fault. It was Jenna's for being a ho bag who lies. And has terrible taste in men.

 

Damn, over hearing paternity, that happened every other week on Marland's ATWT!

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6 minutes ago, Mitch said:

So it wasn't really Holly's fault. It was Jenna's for being a ho bag who lies. And has terrible taste in men.

 

Basically. :lol:

 

It's what I said earlier. Had Jenna just told the truth from the start and fought Jeffery off with Buzz, the Coopers, and even Vanessa's (who was like a surrogate sister) help, it wouldn't've ended badly, but that's Jenna for you. She did have poor taste in men. 

 

 

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