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Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings

Ratings for the week June 22-26, 2009

(Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)

Total Viewers
1. Y&R 4,977,000 (+208,000/+75,000)
2. B&B 3,217,000 (+75,000/-277,000)
3. DAYS 2,847,000 (+257,000/+275,000)
4. OLTL 2,412,000 (-122,000/-179,000)
5. GH 2,391,000 (-34,000/-411,000)
6. AMC 2,286,000 (-143,000/-222,000)
7. ATWT 2,165,000 (-67,000/-407,000) <--------- new low (Previous low: 2,209,000 for June 8-12, 2009)
8. GL 1,873,000 (+51,000/-239,000)


HH
1. Y&R 3.5/11 (+.1/-.1)
2. B&B 2.3/7 (same/-.2)
3. DAYS 2.1/6 (+.1/+.2)
4. OLTL 1.8/6 (same/-.2) <------ ties low (Last time: 1.8/6 for June 15-19, 2009)
5. AMC 1.7/5 (-.1/-.2) <-------- new low (Previous low: 1.8/6 for June 15-19, 2009)
5. GH 1.7/5 (-.1/-.4) <--------- new low (Previous low: 1.8/5 for June 15-19, 2009)
7. ATWT 1.6/5 (same/-.3) <------ ties low (Last time: 1.6/5 for June 15-19, 2009)
8. GL 1.4/4 (+.1/-.1)


Women 18-49 Viewers
1. Y&R 1,069,000 (+46,000/+45,000)
2. DAYS 831,000 (+77,000/+82,000)
3. GH 751,000 (-3,000/-234,000)
4. B&B 706,000 (+67,000/-73,000)
5. OLTL 698,000 (-51,000/-161,000)
6. AMC 623,000 (-45,000/-149,000)
7. ATWT 465,000 (-35,000/-175,000)
8. GL 402,000 (+2,000/-162,000)


Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.6/11 (+.1/same)
2. DAYS 1.3/8 (+.2/+.2)
3. GH 1.1/7 (same/-.4) <-------- ties low (Last time: 1.1/7 for June 15-19, 2009)
3. OLTL 1.1/7 (same/-.2)
3. B&B 1.1/7 (+.1/-.1)
6. AMC 0.9/6 (-.1/-.3) <--------- new low (Previous low: 1.0/6 for June 15-19, 2009)
7. ATWT 0.7/4 (-.1/-.3) <-------- ties low (Last time: 0.7/5 for June 8-12, 2009)
8. GL 0.6/4 (same/-.3) <--------- ties low (Last time: 0.6/4 for June 15-19, 2009)


Girls 12-17 Viewers
1. Y&R 61,000 (+9,000/+10,000)
2. OLTL 55,000 (-15,000/-11,000)
3. GH 47,000 (-14,000/+5,000)
4. B&B 44,000 (+8,000/+18,000)
5. DAYS 40,000 (-3,000/-16,000)
6. GL 34,000 (same/+7,000)
7. ATWT 31,000 (-6,000/-13,000)
8. AMC 28,000 (-6,000/-12,000)


Women 18-34 Rating
1. DAYS 1.0/6 (+.1/same)
2. Y&R 0.9/6 (-.1/+.1)
3. GH 0.8/5 (same/-.4)
3. OLTL 0.8/5 (same/-.2)
5. AMC 0.7/4 (same/-.1)
6. B&B 0.5/3 (-.1/-.2)
7. ATWT 0.3/2 (-.2/-.3) <--------- new low (Previous low: 0.4/3 for June 8-12, 2009)
8. GL 0.2/1 (-.1/-.2) <----------- new low (Previous low: 0.3/2 for June 15-19, 2009)


Men 18+ Viewers
1. Y&R 1,061,000 (-4,000/-130,000)
2. B&B 642,000 (+9,000/-118,000)
3. DAYS 554,000 (+96,000/-7,000)
4. AMC 415,000 (-74,000/+22,000)
5. ATWT 407,000 (+4,000/-137,000)
6. GH 385,000 (-23,000/-79,000)
7. GL 380,000 (+32,000/-78,000)
8. OLTL 373,000 (-86,000/same)

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[B]Day-To-Day Ratings - HH/Total Viewers[/B]

[B]AMC[/B]
Monday: 1.8/2,526,000
Tuesday: 1.7/2,271,000 (President Obama pre-emption; only aired for 31 min on the east coast)
Wednesday: 1.7/2,256,000
Thursday: 1.6/2,139,000
Friday: 1.6/2,232,000

[B]ATWT[/B]
Monday: 1.6/2,327,000
Tuesday: 1.5/2,038,000
Wednesday: 1.7/2,328,000
Thursday: 1.6/2,162,000
Friday: 1.6/1,970,000

[B]B&B[/B]
Monday: 2.4/3,444,000
Tuesday: 2.1/2,909,000
Wednesday: 2.4/3,263,000
Thursday: 2.4/3,290,000
Friday: 2.4/3,181,000

[B]DAYS[/B]
Monday: 1.9/2,569,000 (did not count: Golf pre-emptions; only aired for 21 mins on the east coast)
Tuesday: 1.9/2,556,000 (President Obama pre-emption; only aired for 31 mins on the east coast)
Wednesday: 2.1/2,984,000
Thursday: 2.0/2,815,000
Friday: 2.1/2,891,000

[B]GH[/B]
Monday: 1.7/2,424,000
Tuesday: 1.9/2,517,000
Wednesday: 1.8/2,459,000
Thursday: 1.7/2,237,000)
Friday: 1.7/2,319,000)

[B]GL[/B]
Monday: 1.3/1,856,000
Tuesday: 1.3/1,676,000
Wednesday: 1.5/2,138,000
Thursday: 1.3/1,843,000
Friday: 1.4/1,853,000

[B]OLTL[/B]
Monday: 1.8/2,508,000
Tuesday: 1.8/2,415,000
Wednesday: 1.7/2,358,000
Thursday: 1.7/2,302,000
Friday: 1.8/2,476,000

[B]Y&R[/B]
Monday: 3.4/4,858,000
Tuesday: 1.9/2,664,000 (President Obama pre-emption; only aired for 1 min on the east coast)
Wednesday: 3.5/5,041,000
Thursday: 3.5/4,927,000
Friday: 3.6/5,120,000

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For the SEASON September 22, 2008 through June 28, 2009

HH
1. Y&R 3.8
2. B&B 2.6
3. DAYS 2.2
3. GH 2.2
5. AMC 2.0
5. ATWT 2.0
5. OLTL 2.0
8. GL 1.6

Women 18-49 Rating
1. Y&R 1.8
2. DAYS 1.5
2. GH 1.5
4. OLTL 1.2
4. B&B 1.2
4. AMC 1.2
7. ATWT 1.0
8. GL 0.8

[jpoliver78]

Carolyn1980, on 04 July 2009 - 01:16 AM, said:

Don't get your hopes up. ATWT is toast in 2010 unless CBS's replacement game shows tank in a huge way. (Not trying to make you feel bad, just being realistic. ABC soaps can drop much lower than the other shows because ABC owns them, and they support an entire cable network).

Not to be rude or anything, but I find it hilarious how some people on this board speak so matter-of-factly, as if they have an inside view into the goings on at a particular network.

Now do you know that ATWT is "toast in 2010"? Probably because that is what you have read in the entertainment magazines, just like everyone else. While rumors that GL would be canceled have been swirling for years, did anyone here get a heads up that it would actually occur on April 1, 2009? Probably not. You found out just like everyone else, by reading about it online.

[chyti]

CarlD2, on 04 July 2009 - 05:31 PM, said:

I think replacing Frons would help. He's not just doing what everyone else is doing. He has a very unique vision which shuts out anyone who is not a man who happens to have the attention span of Al Bundy.

GH has had significantly more money and time spent on its behalf than OLTL, so for the show to not be ahead, to actually be below, that should be a wakeup call to someone at that network.

Not to sound foolish but actually how would replacing him help and you have to add on his other functions besides soaps which he is actually doing fine with. I disagree about Fron and his "unique" vision I see the same thing that is happening on ABCD on other shows, weak females focus more on the man in their lives then themselves or not able to function without a man; favorites being pushed on the viewers and hogging of airtime, etc...

OLTL has the new gay storyline that is bringing interest to it for the time being and wasn't to long ago last in the lineup, I am sure the shows will switch places again and then again. Unfortunately for GH making a show HD doesn't bring viewers just makes it prettier to look at for the ones already watching. If a was a network bigshot I would see all the shows in the same boat not one of them are actually doing any better than the other just switching places on who gets to steer.

[Ann_SS]

I don't see why ABC would fire Frons. The soaps are dying with or without him, damage done. Frons seems to be doing a good job with the rest of ABC Daytime and SoapNet.

[Carolyn1980]

jpoliver78, on 04 July 2009 - 05:52 PM, said:

Not to be rude or anything, but I find it hilarious how some people on this board speak so matter-of-factly, as if they have an inside view into the goings on at a particular network.

Now do you know that ATWT is "toast in 2010"? Probably because that is what you have read in the entertainment magazines, just like everyone else. While rumors that GL would be canceled have been swirling for years, did anyone here get a heads up that it would actually occur on April 1, 2009? Probably not. You found out just like everyone else, by reading about it online.

Lol. Sorry for that post about ATWT. I was posting while drinking Long Island Iced Teas.....like 5 of them. (In fact, just now I was reading a bunch of posts I apparently made that night that sounded kinda bitchy. Oh, well).

You're right, I don't know what's going to happen with ATWT. I'm only speculating.

[marceline]

Carolyn1980, on 04 July 2009 - 07:43 PM, said:

Lol. Sorry for that post about ATWT. I was posting while drinking Long Island Iced Teas.....like 5 of them. (In fact, just now I was reading a bunch of posts I apparently made that night that sounded kinda bitchy. Oh, well).

You're right, I don't know what's going to happen with ATWT. I'm only speculating.

Posting under the influence? None of us have EVER done that before! LOL! I still cringe when I think of posts I made when I got out of the burn clinic. I couldn't go anywhere so the web was my only outlet. I was LOADED on codeine and wine and feeling TOO fine, if you know what I mean!

[CarlD2]

Ann_SS, on 04 July 2009 - 07:22 PM, said:

I don't see why ABC would fire Frons. The soaps are dying with or without him, damage done. Frons seems to be doing a good job with the rest of ABC Daytime and SoapNet.

Is there anything else on ABC Daytime besides The View, which was around years before he took over?

SoapNet turns a profit but I wonder how long the D-list wannabe reality shows and the bad TV movies from the 90s will hold up before people lose interest.

[DAYS]

When's the rating coming out?

[Carolyn1980]

marceline, on 04 July 2009 - 07:54 PM, said:

Posting under the influence? None of us have EVER done that before! LOL! I still cringe when I think of posts I made when I got out of the burn clinic. I couldn't go anywhere so the web was my only outlet. I was LOADED on codeine and wine and feeling TOO fine, if you know what I mean!

LOL.

It seems to make posting more fun at the time.....but re-reading the posts later....ugh!

I sound so arrogant and sure of myself.

Ahhhh welllll.

*off to make a drink*

[marceline]

Carolyn1980, on 04 July 2009 - 08:20 PM, said:

LOL.

It seems to make posting more fun at the time.....but re-reading the posts later....ugh!

I sound so arrogant and sure of myself.

Ahhhh welllll.

*off to make a drink*

Happy sipping! And I agree with you that ATWT is the next to go. CBS just seems to have checked out of the soap game. It's possible that something drastic could happen with ABC but I doubt it.

[skiman12082004]

Who really knows what the future holds for soaps and it really saddens me that AMC hit an all-time low. Personally, I am enjoying the show very much and it keeps me entertained. Just started watching OLTL on a daily basis and I am enjoying Cristian/Layla, Brody/Jessica, Fish/Kyle and to some extend most of the other stories playing out. I just hope the soaps can remain viable and resurrect themselves some kind of way. But I have to agree with a previous post unfortunately I believe ATWT will be the next to go but that is merely an opinion.

[BlueLick]

Wait a minute, Frons got fired?

This could be a great thing for ABC Daytime, especially SoapNet which really hasn't been SoapNet the last two years.

I think ABC made the right decision but its too late in the game as the soaps will struggle with or without him. I hope the person who replaces him saves all three soaps and they make a turnaround like DAYS has.

I honestly think Frons' firing was a wakeup call or ABC's opportunity to save the genre one last time. It could be a reflection on how the performance of the soaps the last 2-3 years was unacceptable and things need to turn around for the better.

[SteveFrame]

I'm enjoying Cristian/Layla and Brody/Jessica and other aspects of OLTL but I could give a flying f___ about Kyle/Fish. I just don't care about the characters at all and I am just not one to follow a gay story just because I happen to be gay or bisexual. I know someone jumped all over me at Facebook when I said I had never watched Ugly Betty and said I was not a true gay man if I didn't support the shows that had gay characters. When did TV watching become agenda watching.

I watch what I enjoy and don't watch due to some agenda.

I have the same problems with the Kyle/Fish story that I would any other story. I am so tired of stories built around new faces and new characters. Just look at the posts in this thread alone where people are saying they tune into these shows and don't see anyone they know.

What has made soaps so special for years is the attachment you have to the characters. That is why I watch soaps. I watch to see the people I care about and have developed relationships with. I always love new characters and love getting to know them but only when they are blended in with other characters I love. To see a whole story developed around 2 characters that have been nothing but fringe nothing players for so long, and then to have the announcement already that another new character is coming that will be a part of the story too.

There are things I love about OLTL but right now Ron has gone on new character and new face overload. One day I tried to watch and over 2/3 of the characters featured that day had been there less than a year. It is sickening when OLTL has so many folks they hardly use.

They should have tied the Kyle/Fish story to more of the canvas better than it has been so far. And the proposed comedic way that they intend to in according to spoilers is not going to do it for me.

It would have been neat if Kyle or Fish could have been CJ Roberts or even Danny Wolek or hell even Joey Buchanan (it is not out of the question that he could have had a brief thing in college or while away from Llanview one of his many times away). But Kyle and Fish are both characters I care nothing about at this point.

And it's just overload for me right now with so many new faces and new characters on the show. It is just as bad as what Higley did when she brought in the McBains and all the gang associated with them. Now Carlivati is doing the very same thing. And he had such promise. One of the things that made him work in the beginning was the emphasis he placed on the characters we knew and loved, and now he has done the same thing as Higley. New characters and too much of certain characters. We went from the Spencer Truman show under Higley to the Todd/Starr/Cole/Rex/Gigi show under Ron.

[CarlD2]

SteveFrame, on 04 July 2009 - 09:06 PM, said:

I'm enjoying Cristian/Layla and Brody/Jessica and other aspects of OLTL but I could give a flying f___ about Kyle/Fish. I just don't care about the characters at all and I am just not one to follow a gay story just because I happen to be gay or bisexual. I know someone jumped all over me at Facebook when I said I had never watched Ugly Betty and said I was not a true gay man if I didn't support the shows that had gay characters. When did TV watching become agenda watching.

I agree with you but I'm enjoying Fish/Kyle on merits, so far at least. The story is still undeveloped and I wish Fish had more personality (he did last year), but Kyle's a fascinating character and I like the potential of what his relationship with Fish could be. Bad boy/good guy. The coming out part of the story doesn't interest me as much, although I guess I should be happy to see a soap doing a coming out story again. There are too many who believe that now everyone is accepting of gays and if you come out your family will give you a parade.

BlueLick, Frons hasn't been fired. We were wishful thinking.

[marceline]

SteveFrame, on 04 July 2009 - 09:06 PM, said:

I'm enjoying Cristian/Layla and Brody/Jessica and other aspects of OLTL but I could give a flying f___ about Kyle/Fish. I just don't care about the characters at all and I am just not one to follow a gay story just because I happen to be gay or bisexual. I know someone jumped all over me at Facebook when I said I had never watched Ugly Betty and said I was not a true gay man if I didn't support the shows that had gay characters. When did TV watching become agenda watching?

I watch what I enjoy and don't watch due to some agenda.

I have the same problems with the Kyle/Fish story that I would any other story. I am so tired of stories built around new faces and new characters. Just look at the posts in this thread alone where people are saying they tune into these shows and don't see anyone they know.

You're a homophobe! Homophobe! Homophobe! Homophobe! Self loathing homophobe! I just wanted to get that out of the way.

I know where you're coming from on this. I see talk about Rachel, Shaun and Greg and I know I'm supposed to care by the rules of diversity but I don't. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Shaun. I think he's really charming and a great addition to the canvas. Plus the actor did something that made me his fan until the day the sun supernovas. I think its ironic that we were force-fed Vincent but its Shaun that's survived.

However, I find Rachel boring. Now I admit that I am Ellen Bethea's bitch, now and forever so there's no recast who will ever take her place in my heart but I warmed up to Sandra Grant so I'm not completely unreasonable. Bottom line, I don't care how many black people they bring on this show. I don't care if it becomes "Tyler Perry's One Life to Live." I'm out.

People keep laughing at me on other boards but I wanted a story where John and Todd got together. That made sense to me based on the characters interactions. As it is now, if this story doesn't "work" for some reason they can wipe it off the canvas in a few weeks and it will be like it never existed. Kyle and Fish are disposable newbies. That wouldn't be the case with Todd and John. I even had a chance to ask the actors about it at ME's fan event (TSJ was there) and the answer made me love both actors even more, if that's possible.

This post has been edited by marceline: 04 July 2009 - 09:19 PM

[Ann_SS]

I find the instant Fish/Kyle love marginally better than the ridiculous Olivia/Natalia love. I still laugh at the idea that Olivia is a lesbian or sexually attracted to woman after all the years she has been on GL.

CarlD2, on 04 July 2009 - 07:57 PM, said:

Is there anything else on ABC Daytime besides The View, which was around years before he took over?

SoapNet turns a profit but I wonder how long the D-list wannabe reality shows and the bad TV movies from the 90s will hold up before people lose interest.

None of which are reasons for ABC to fire Frons.

BlueLick, on 04 July 2009 - 08:57 PM, said:

Wait a minute, Frons got fired?

No, he did not.

[CarlD2]

marceline, on 04 July 2009 - 09:27 PM, said:

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People keep laughing at me on other boards but I wanted a story where John and Todd got together. That made sense to me based on the characters interactions. As it is now, if this story doesn't "work" for some reason they can wipe it off the canvas in a few weeks and it will be like it never existed. That wouldn be the case with Todd and John. I even had a chance to ask the actors about it at ME's fan event (TSJ was there) and the answer made me love both actors even more, if that's possible.

Is this very different from what OLTL did with Tarty? Todd threw away his entire life and abandoned his children for Marty. Now he's all over Tea, he's suddenly a great father again, and Marty barely shares scenes with him.

I think Todd has been so destroyed as a character that he would be hard to take in any relationship. I don't believe Todd cares about anyone but himself.

It's almost better, in some sad way, that this gay relationship is not among prominent characters, because OLTL screws it up when they write relationships for big characters (Rex, Todd, John).

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However, I find Rachel boring.

Who is Rachel? Why should we care? They had a perfect opportunity to make us care when Hank came back, but now he's off taking dirty photos of the servants at the Buchanan mansion, I guess.

I liked Shaun more before they decided to move him back with Todd and with Moe. The actor doesn't bounce off against those characters very well. Destiny is too green to be a strong scene partner yet. Shaun seems very adrift because he's almost entirely surrounded by adrift characters. I hope this will change soon.

[rhinohide]

marceline, on 04 July 2009 - 09:27 PM, said:

You're a homophobe! Homophobe! Homophobe! Homophobe! Self loathing homophobe! I just wanted to get that out of the way.

I know where you're coming from on this. I see talk about Rachel, Shaun and Greg and I know I'm supposed to care by the rules of diversity but I don't. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Shaun. I think he's really charming and a great addition to the canvas. Plus the actor did something that made me his fan until the day the sun supernovas. I think its ironic that we were force-fed Vincent but its Shaun that's survived.

However, I find Rachel boring. Now I admit that I am Ellen Bethea's bitch, now and forever so there's no recast who will ever take her place in my heart but I warmed up to Sandra Grant so I'm not completely unreasonable. Bottom line, I don't care how many black people they bring on this show. I don't care if it becomes "Tyler Perry's One Life to Live." I'm out.

People keep laughing at me on other boards but I wanted a story where John and Todd got together. That made sense to me based on the characters interactions. As it is now, if this story doesn't "work" for some reason they can wipe it off the canvas in a few weeks and it will be like it never existed. Kyle and Fish are disposable newbies. That wouldn't be the case with Todd and John. I even had a chance to ask the actors about it at ME's fan event (TSJ was there) and the answer made me love both actors even more, if that's possible.

Are you drinking?

And I wouldn't laugh at you about John and Todd. I remember Easton telling a story where the director cut in on a scene he had with TSJ and warned Trevor to stop acting like Todd was coming on to John.

[JackPeyton]

CarlD2, on 04 July 2009 - 04:57 PM, said:

Is there anything else on ABC Daytime besides The View, which was around years before he took over?

SoapNet turns a profit but I wonder how long the D-list wannabe reality shows and the bad TV movies from the 90s will hold up before people lose interest.

ABC Daytime right now is the view and the soaps. whatever replaces the soaps someone will still have to oversee, however i dont see it being Frons. I can see them putting him fully in charage at just soapnet.

and im sure soapnet can hold onto what they have right now. from reports it seems to be gaining actualy. d-list wannabe reality shows and old movies have done many networks well. its something many people tune into, unlike soaps.

[Cyberologist]

CarlD2, on 04 July 2009 - 06:57 PM, said:

Is there anything else on ABC Daytime besides The View, which was around years before he took over?

SoapNet turns a profit but I wonder how long the D-list wannabe reality shows and the bad TV movies from the 90s will hold up before people lose interest.

Soapnet just wasn't as interesting as I thought it would be. Most thier movies I can find online.

As for not understanding why ABC would fire him....I don't care about the rest of his shows
I'm talking about his ABC soaps which he has systematically destroyed with his favoritism and lack of vision.
IMO, he's gutted GH and I know he's not "writing the show" but it is said that position for all soaps approves outlines it has also been said for years his hands are all in story lines and he micro-manages to a fault.

He hired Guza and he can fire him but he won't. Instead he hires his wife and another one of Guza old buds to help him write a show. Doesn't say much for a HW making the big bucks IMO.

This post has been edited by Cyberologist: 06 July 2009 - 10:03 AM

[rhinohide]

Cyberologist, on 06 July 2009 - 10:58 AM, said:

Soapnet just wasn't as interesting as I thought it would be. Most thier movies I can find online.

As for not understanding why ABC would fire him....I don't care about the rest of his shows
I'm talking about his ABC soaps which he has systematically destroyed with his favoritism and lack of vision.
IMO, he's gutted GH and I know he's not "writing the show" but it is said that position for all soaps approves outlines it has also been said for years his hands are all in story lines and he micro-manages to a fault.

He hired Guza and he can fire him but he won't. Instead he hires his wife and another one of Guza old buds to help him write a show. Doesn't say much for a HW making the big bucks IMO.

Cyber. Frons' bosses don't care about that for the most part. They care about him meeting his financial objectives and the subsequent impact on Disney's overall financial reports that drive their stock value. There are so many ways he can meet his Net Operating Profit objectives, but as long as he hits that forecast, he's in good shape and makes his bonus every year.