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2 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

I have to agree with that! ☺

 

Long time, no "see"!  ;)

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On 3/14/2017 at 8:43 AM, DRW50 said:

The Augusta/Dash story makes me sick, as does nearly anything with Tim Gibbs. What offensive trash. 

 

Marcy Walker, A Martinez and Judith McConnell did some tremendous work in that split personality story, especially Marcy. 

 

Even from that one short clip you quickly see just how miscast Eileen Davidson was IMO. Of course to be fair to her the dialogue and situation are embarrassingly trite. 

 

I've always felt that the Augusta/Dash storyline was misunderstood by everyone involved.  Misunderstood was a recurring theme in Dash's character.

 

Poor Eileen.  She was put in a terrible position by production.

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2 hours ago, juniorz1 said:

Poor Eileen.  She was put in a terrible position by production.

 

Great actress but sorely miscast. Thankfully, she soon landed on DAYS as a new character and would be able to truly shine.

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Eden's rape is one of the most, if not THE most, disturbing soap storylines I've ever seen. But MW certainly rose to the challenge, and more than deserved the Emmy she won in 1989.

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On 3/14/2017 at 4:03 PM, Wendy said:

As a viewer of SB from its great to not-so-great years, I didn't like Terri Garber's Suzanne. She was boring as all get out, and I couldn't believe how utterly devoid of brain cells everyone had to be to NOT recognize Eden as fake Suzanne in a bad wig and glasses.

 

But with that said, I think Cruz with freaking Jodie Walker was a billion times worse. We're suddenly supposed to buy this past shared history with Cruz and the newbie hog - and, oh yeah, Cruz! Chip WASN'T the first kid to be sired and not originally raised by you! IT'S A GIRL! Bleah.

 

I loved the show until late '91, then Pam Long stripped it of its very identity until axing the show was a mercy killing.

Zimmah.  The thing that ate Santa Barbara.

21 hours ago, DRW50 said:

What do you think the story was about?

 I think Augusta was trying to, in the end, goad Dash into attempting to date rape her.

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15 hours ago, amybrickwallace said:

Eden's rape is one of the most, if not THE most, disturbing soap storylines I've ever seen. But MW certainly rose to the challenge, and more than deserved the Emmy she won in 1989.

 I watched it as a child. The violence of the rape was somewhat traumatic (I had to look away at times).  Marcy rose to every challenge they threw at her.  It's why I miss her so.

On 3/15/2017 at 2:50 AM, Wendy said:

 

No, the Keith recast was played by an actor named John Novak. (And he was not Keith, try as he might.) The potted plant Julia was with, David Raymond, was played by John Beck, whose character was married to/separated from Angela Raymond, played by Nina Arvesen. Who, of course, went on to battle Cassie for Warren.

 

David just seemed to vanish/leave town once it was clear that Mason and Julia were on the road to reconciliation. And thank God. He sucked. All I recall was he was a judge and there was some story involving Angela's never-seen sister, Marilyn, dying or something.

Marilyn was killed in a drunk driving accident.  I believe we were led to wonder whether it was Angela or David that was driving.  If I'm not mistaken, it turned out that it was indeed Angela behind the wheel.  I believe Cassandra is the one who found out the truth.

On 3/15/2017 at 9:03 PM, Soaplovers said:

What is the story with anne howard bailey?  Was she ad bad as the dobson's thought?

In a word, no.  She actually plotted some of the best stories the show ever did.  IMO, she was the strongest head writer the show ever had.

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You guys, watch this music video.  I relate the words of the refrain (and the constant images of the blue eyed blondes) to the climax of the Lisa/Eden storyline, on the cliff.  Note the stock footage used for the water in the video.

 

 

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3 hours ago, juniorz1 said:

 I watched it as a child. The violence of the rape was somewhat traumatic (I had to look away at times).  Marcy rose to every challenge they threw at her.  It's why I miss her so.

 

Do you think the story was ultimately cheapened by the reveal of the attacker's identity?

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I think the attackers identity didnt cheapen it...it shows that no one can be trusted.  A lot of times, sexual assualts are done by someone the victim knows...and making it who they made it makes one have to be on their guard.

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9 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I think the attackers identity didnt cheapen it...it shows that no one can be trusted.  A lot of times, sexual assualts are done by someone the victim knows...and making it who they made it makes one have to be on their guard.

 

This is so true...most people don't know HOW true. :(

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From rewatching the first episodes of Eden's debut...there were hints left that make her split personality story and eventually disappearance later on make sense.

 

She comes in the esrly episodes as overly confident and fearless...yet by 1985, we see hints that is a facade.  Ironically the fight between original Gina and eden by the ladder illustrates that.  Gina correctly states eden is a sheltered princess and its time she grow up and be on her own...with Eden stating she has done that..didnt like it and feels more safe at the capwell mansion.

 

Another scene is between Cruz and eden where they first reveal their previous fling years earlier and how she just took off all of a sudden and wondered if she wouldnt do that again...which she did in 1991.  I dont recall, but was it mentioned if she was around when Channing was killed?  I know that event caused Kelly and joe to break up..but was Eden around for the engagement party and affected by it?

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I think Eden was there, because when they re-enacted the events in spring 1985 - she was seen in the "flashbacks" and such. Did you see MW's first scenes with Judith McConnell when Eden realizes that she is talking to her long-lost, presumed-dead mother? While it wasn't explicitly stated, when Eden was confronting Sophia about faking her death for so long and growing up without a mother - she mentioned something that soap women usually never talk about unless it's in regards to a pregnancy. Eden mentioned that when she was 12, she finally went to Rosa (the Capwell housekeeper) and asked her if she was going to die because she was bleeding. It was implied that Eden was going through her first periods and had no idea what was going on, because she didn't have a mother there to explain such things. Even though they never said the exact words, it was clear what Eden was getting at and that the frightened, confused little girl never really grew up. That was a very moving scene - and both MW and JM played it beautifully. If you haven't seen it, look it up. It was from February 1985.

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