Reading an article on Barry leaving "Loving," it says her Isabelle replaced Celeste Holm abruptly in July, 1992, and was written out in January, 1994. The move was storyline dictated. Agnes Nixon had only been there a short while when Barry's Isabelle was axed. She'd bring back Augusta Dabney's Isabelle in the summer of 1994 for the Cradle Foundation storyline.
I disagree with Barry's assessment of Viola. While she was a survivor, she was intended to be a character of a certain stature who would have followed certain rules. Viola would have married a man she hated to support her family, but I don't think she would have operated her own business. How would that have appeared?
Anyway, I think Barry won in the end. Didn't Viola open up a second-hand store or something along those lines with Josie Saxton. Or am I confusing my 1970s NBC soaps?
Since we are talking "Loving" and "For Richer, For Poorer," I wonder if Millee Taggert wrote for FR,FP or if Tom King consulted with Taggert in her 1992-1993 run. The Brewsters of Corinth are basically a carbon copy of the Brewsters of Point Claire. Both were mother-daughter duos who had been rich, but lost there money with the mothers encouraging their daughters to marry wealthy men. The mother figure was even absent in the early months and had heart problems.
I was looking through the Remembering Woodbridge article and am starting to question things. The RW article states that the Casey Arnold drug plot and the Hope Ames plot occur at the same time. Pamela Raymond definitely played Hope in 1965 and 1966 and the papers make it clear that John Colicos appeared in the spring of 1966 through June 1966 as Matthew Devereaux. If Casey is part of the drug plot that involves Hope Ames, this would all play out prior to the 1966 episode that features Hope. So maybe 1965/1966 is right for Casey and the date on the Jimmy Dobbs episode is wrong? Or maybe Genovese confused the plots?
Also, Coster appeared as Paul Britton in 1963. I found an article from December, 1963, stating friends have noticed him appearing in episodes. Paul was probably introduced in the fall when Amy went to college and the Averys arrived.
Regarding Nina DiFrancisco, the RW article attributes the story to the Averys so I may be wrong about the dates on Nina, but the character did appear in 1962 so maybe she was on 1962-1963? Which would then allow Paul and Amy to get together late 1963/early 1964 while Kip was in prison and for Kip to pop up to marry Amy in 1964. Again, just trying to work out the logistics.
Pamela Raymond appeared as Hope Crandall Ames no later than fall 1965. She was announced as part of the cast of the revamp of “Flame in the Wind,” “A Time for Us,” but by fall she is credited in newspapers for appearing on “Storm.” So Raymond was on STORM from at least 1965-1966.
Casey Arnold appeared in the February, 1967 episode of STORM that saynotoursoap posted. So Arnold should be probably 1966-1967
Robert Fitzsimmons Frank Bennett is referred to in the February 1960 episode on youtube. So I would say 1960 definitely, but more likely 1959-1960.
Do you remember where you found the illegal abortion information about Barbara Bradford, Liza Chapman’s character?
I believe Canadace Coster played the role as long as Nicolas Coster was in the role so that would 1968-1969
Ira Bromfield was Kevin’s surgeon so that would have been 1973/1974
The article recently posted suggests that Lovelady Powell’s Birdie appeared well into 1971 after Hugh and Jill were killed off.
Just found a TV Questions column stating Peter MacLean first appeared as Hugh on November 22, 1969. He and Jill were killed off before Christmas, 1970.
Judi Rollin appeared as Didi Clayborne until July, 1971. I believe that was posted in SS thread. Plus, the Remembering Woodbridge article describes the custody case between Didi and the Stevenses after her father’s death, which occurred in late 1970.
Jeffrey Lynn premiered as Charlie Clemons in November 1967. I believe the exact date is in the SS thread. He appeared through at least October, 1968 because he can be heard in the Joan Crawford episode.
You have Evelyn and Julian Dark appearing in 1968. The Remembering Woodbridge article places them in the early 1960s. Julian would appear at least 1963-1964 and Evelyn most likely 1964 at least.
John Colicos played Matthew Devereaux in 1966. The character was written out in June 1966. The actor left, but there had been talk of continuing the character prior to his decision to leave. The announcement appeared in the papers that Colicos had joined the show in early April. Since he was tied to Hope’s story, he probably only appeared in the spring and early summer. Carol Devereaux appeared at the end of his run.
Goldensoaps lists Cal Bellini playing Eduardo Degamma in 1962-1963 and Joseph Della Sorte in 1963. The character arrived in Woodbridge in April, 1962. He returned with Pauline after Haila Stoddard had been off the show for almost a year. In December 1962, CBS claimed no one was playing the roles of Degama or Nina DiFrancisco. So Bellini either came back or the 1963 date is wrong.
I wonder if Nina was killed off in 1962 as David O’Brien premiered as Kip in March, 1963. In terms of the story, it sounds like Kip was offscreen for Nina’s murder which would suggest at least
Goldensoaps has Barnard Hughes as appearing in 1960 as Reverend Farrell. I believe the source is a TV reference book.
You have J Fluellen Lawrence as appearing in 1967/1968. Christina Crawford joined STORM in April, 1968. The infidelity suit didn’t occur until the summer of 1968 and played out in the October 1968 episode on youtube. I wouldn’t list 1967, just 1968.
Someone appeared as Bryan Fuller in 1960. He is still a sore subject of conversation in August 1960.
It's a shame saynotoursoap's material is gone. The episode he posted was from February 1966.
Keith Andes' final episode was Friday, April 6, 1966. He left when the show's original headwriters quit. The character of Jeff was shipped off to Africa. In the final episodes, Mary announced Jeff would be returning.
Frances Fuller played Alice Perkins on "Flame in the Wind." Alice was the mother of Flora Perkins. Fuller was president of one of th eacting guilds at the time and was working with the president of daytime programming at ABC, Leonard Goldberg, to recruit young talent for daytime. I'm sure I butchered a bunch of titles and positions.
I don't think Fuller was on "Time for Us," but the last mention I have of her character's daughter, Flora, is in April. Neither Fuller nor Brooks are listed among those appearing in the revamp.
Do you know where you got this information? I know a lot of TV listings often confused actors on TV shows. I've seen an article that lists a full week of synopses for "A Time for Us" as occurring on "A
The premier of "High Hopes" is available for viewing at the Paley Center in New York. I saw it nearly 15 years ago. I don't remember Prinz being in the opening episode unless she was featured in the segment on Trudy Bowen's talk show. Is it possible she appeared later on?
Jackie Bertell played a second role on the show when it was a soap. Do you have that role?
Dr. Paul Popenoe appeared on the November 15, 1965 episode of "Paradise Bay." In the story, Barbara Pulaski, a high school teacher, was attempting to teach a sex education course at the high school. She met resistance from various members of the community, who wanted their children to boycott the sex class. Pulaski was supported by Jeff Morgan, the owner of the local radio station. Jeff brought Popenoe onto his station to address the town about the issue.
Regarding the sex education story, it was the story that immediately followed the Sally Baxter murder trial and was actually born out of it. In one article, I read Sally underwent an abortion in Mexico before she died. While Duke Spalding was accused, it was later revealed that another male character did it. I suspect he might have been the father of Sally's child. Anyway, this all seems to be the impetus for Barbara's push to bring sex education in schools as she knew information about Sally's death.
Leora Dana as Viola has always interested me as I've only seen in listed in Soap World. I suspect she appeared in only a couple episodes in April/May 1977. The synopses for the final weeks have Laurie fielding a phone call from her mother stating she was returning to Point Claire.
Chris Gifford was a doctor. He arrived in August or September 1978.
Marlowe appeared on "Lovers & Friends" in 1977. I don't think he made the transition. He was the Cushings' butler.
Barbara Manners was divorced. Phillip played in 1977. MacLaren in 1978.
Thanks. I guess I was wrong about Ettlinger being the only headwriter. Since then, I've read that Raphael Hayes wrote the shows opening episodes. After reading the detailed history of "The Young Marrieds" from a wonderful poster on this board, I wonder if Hayes had the same problem that Elward had with scripting and Hardy brought in Ettlinger because they worked together on "Love of Life."
Ettlinger's arrival in January would explain why the story begins to shift in the months to come. A lot of the initial story seems to revolve around Craig Reynolds and the publishing. Craig is in an important position at the publishing company, married to the daughter of the company's owner, in love with one of the company's authors (Kate), and the object of affection of one of his colleagues (Flora). When Craig departs in February after conflict with Ted Alcourt, who is described as a narcissist in an early press release, a lot of this seems to fall apart and shift in other directions.
I wonder if Ettlinger added crazy Liz Grey to the story. Liz doesn't appear in the story until March, but Tony receives a phone call from the hospital in February which probably indicated the direction the Tony/Kate romance was heading. Also, in the show's initial press releases, it indicated that Kate would be caught up in a defamation suit because of her book, which would certainly impact her relationship with lawyer Tony Grey. I wonder if this played out or if the story was scrapped when Rafael Hayes left the show.
Some other random tidbits...
- Hebert Bayard Swopes, III, Maggie Hayes' real life son, appeared on the show in 1966 in a running role. This role was announced in April, 1966.
- One of the articles Carl posted on ATWT mentioned Jenny O'Hara previously played Susan Michaels. This seems to coincide with most of the press from the 1960s and 1970s. O'Hara said she did a year on the show so Susan appeared into 1966.
- In a TV Guide article about the show, Doug Colton's ex-wife was said to be named Evelyn and that she was set to appear on the show in the future. Based on the article we have from Carl, we know "Evelyn" appeared onscreen. I think Evelyn may in fact have been Jenny O'Hara's Susan Michaels, but I'm not sure.
- I think the episode that saynotoursoap had posted aired September 23, 1965. The episode synopsis for that day reads: "Dave acts out of desperation." The September 22nd preview reads: "Steve learns shattering news." This is followed by September 24: "Steve makes an irrevocable decision." This would seem to fall in line with what happened in the episode. In the episode previously online, Steve has already learned from Jason Farrell about the pregnancy. Steve still seemed to be unsure what he should be doing, which would line up with him deciding in the next episode. Because of Jane's decision to go to Europe to have her baby, Dave decides, out of desperation, to ask her to marry him. This would set into motion the events leading up to October. It would appear that Jane initially says yes to Dave, but then Steve is forced to tell his friend that Jane is pregnant with his (Steve's) child only for Steve and Jane to marry at the end of October/early November. In November, Jane and Steve honeymoon in Bermuda.
- Most of the information we have on this series comes from Wesley Hyatt's book on daytime programming. For the "A Time for Us" entry, he used the information in TV Guide. TV Guide had daily descriptions for many of the NBC/ABC programs in 1965. Also, there is a rather descriptive article on the show in an October 1965 edition. It covers Roxanne Reynolds' dinner party, which actually occured in July 1965. The dinner party was suppose to launch "at least a year's worth" of stories according to Joe Hardy. With that said, Hardy outlines a lot of what is to come in the next year, but until we see more information it should be noted that we don't know for sure what happened. The article outlines the return of Craig Reynolds, Miriam Bentley pushing her pal Roxanne to pair off with Doug, Doug's problems with his ex-wife Evelyn, Doug and Roxanne's marriage plans, and the idea that ultimately Craig and Roxanne would get back together. I haven't seen many November/December synopses for "Time for Us" so they might actually reveal more of the story.
I was reading the SOD synopses of the show's final months. When David Grant returned in the form of Phillip MacHale in the summer of 1976, David mentions that Lyling has run off with the baby and they are in China. So I think its safe to say that Bridgett Duffy's David is David and Lyling's child.
I imagine the untold story behind "Loving" was more interesting than most of what appeared onscreen.
I don't doubt Geraldine Court was told they wanted to go with an unknown, but it seems like there was a lot of butting heads backstage between Marland and Nixon. Given how little Ann had in the beginning, I could understand why they would want to invest money elsewhere. One would have to assume had the Merrill - Roger story continued that Ann would have had to gain some prominence in the story.
Court probably lucked out given the rocky beginning years, but I think she would have solid opposite Shana Keith and Anthony Herrera once Ann's story really kicked off.
Someone with a better sense of history could probably explain it better, but Kim and Victor were involved before the Bo reveal came out. Actually, I believe it was during the Kim and Victor pairing that it was revealed "one" of Caroline's children belonged to Victor. The show even toyed with Kim thinking she might be carrying her father's child when she was pregnant with Andrew. I believe Victor either kidnapped Andrew or led Kim to believe that Andrew was his, not Shane's. That part I'm fuzzy on.
The switch with Murphy did occur around the time of Willifred's death. Murphy stated her first scenes involved killing he husband or him dying in front of her in a newspaper article from that time period.