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  1. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Politics Thread   

    The Trump's history of racial discrimination in Trump rental properties is well known but this NYT article features a personal story of people involved in one case in Queens New York and one in Cincinnati, OH the subject of a lawsuit brought on by the Justice Dept against the Trumps.
    ‘No Vacancies’ for Blacks: How Donald Trump Got His Start, and Was First Accused of Bias
    The contrast is striking between Trump, in his youth working at his father's knee, deep in these policies being investigated by 'testers' sent out by the New York Urban League  while HRC worked as a 'tester' for Marian Wright Edelman and the Children's Defense Fund, documenting instances of deliberate racial segregation of schools in the South.
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  2. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic As The World Turns Discussion Thread   

    I see what you're saying @~bl~, even though most people I know who watched ATWT also watched GL, two P&G shows with similar methods of storytelling, the contrast wasn't as glaring as between Capitol and ATWT.  Some of my friends who watched both actually elected to drop GL, preferring to record Y&R, B&B and ATWT.
    For me personally during 94/95, I had entered college, got busy in life and really only picked up most of the soaps in the summertime and although I remember a few storylines and characters from 94, 1995 was completely forgettable to me and I watched very little of it, '96 almost none of it. The storylines didn't move me to tune in and up until '95, I would have considered myself a loyal ATWT viewer, I was raised watching it, it was my favorite soap.  
    Speaking of ATWT specifically, if the accepted narrative in soap opera lore being that the OJ case shifted the viewing habits of the soap viewing public in large number is the case, it just seemed as if ATWT and GL did very little to counter or compete. The writing/storytelling by 94/95 was bland and mostly forgettable irrespective of casting.  There were a couple of decent storylines but writers no longer seemed capable of layering storyline after storyline so that you had multiple compelling storylines one after another as in the past. If the OJ case was this huge compelling juggernaut that all these people claim it to be, then shouldn't ATWT tried to compete with equally compelling writing? I just don't believe they did and I have have one big theory as to why but it's just my theory.
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  3. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic Netflix: The Get Down   

    Episode 2 was much more focused than Episode 1. I'm surprised at the number of people who criticize the use of newsreel footage and the way it's spliced into scenes. I kind of look at it as digital collage, rather than neatly edited newsreels placed in scenes. I think the footage is deliberately messy to evoke the chaotic times that NYC underwent in the late 70s.
    One thing that I appreciated in the 1st episode that now bothers me is the over-explication by Grandmaster Flash of what a DJ does and a DJ's modus operandi.  Even though that scene @ The Get Down in the first episode was clunky- Shaolin explaining how a DJ cuts and scratches a record in a loud ass party- it seemed a necessary primer for people who are unfamiliar with DJ culture, putting the manuevers in layman's terms.  In episode 2, it now reads as being too Ted Talks meets Red Bull Academy, and it grates on me more than a little, I've been trying to figure out why . I think maybe because I've grown up around DJs and aspects of hip-hop/reggae culture, so it seems like extra to me.  I have seen (mostly) guys who 'apprentice' to DJs and there's a lot less talk. It's more like 'Watch what I do, try to do it on your own while adding your own spin (no 'biting') and if you get it wrong, I'ma correct you'.  All that talk by Grandmaster Flash seemed like he was giving one of those lectures at a DJ shortcourse that hipsters take for a weekend experience. But hey, maybe Grandmaster Flash has always been that chatty and demonstrative.
    Episode 2 though, as I said seemed much better written, a lot more soulful. I wasn't surprised that Mylene seized her moment behind the pulpit of her father's church, I was a little surprised when she took off that choir robe to reveal that white dress but it made for a great television moment.
    I'm still sort of torn between the perceived lack of grittiness within the show's portrayal of the Bronx and the fact that it's Baz Luhrman's Bronx and he has obviously opted for Bronx that is more mythic and dreamscape than gritty. As someone who grew up not far from the Bronx and still remembers what state the borough was in as a little brown girl during the early 80s, and an young adult even into the 90s, I'm trying to reconcile this latest screen vision.
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  4. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Politics Thread   

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  5. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Tennis Thread   

    The only people who question whether DelPo deserves a wildcard are Steve and perhaps Sam.  Steve was foolish for opening his mouth in the first place because clearly he spoke this into being.
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  6. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Tennis Thread   

    Just last week Johnson was complaining that he didn't think DelPo should be offered a wildcard, that it might deprive some deserving American player instead. I wonder if that message got back to Juan.
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  7. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic As The World Turns Discussion Thread   

    If ATWT had its regular timeslot and never got moved, I'm not sure how GL being moved would specifically hurt ATWT. By the way, what year did that GL morning switch happen, I remember it happening but can't seem to remember when.
    I still think it was a confluence of factors that resulted in ATWT's decline and cancellation.  One of which was tragic and impossible to prepare for- Marland's death.
    Marland wasn't perfect @YRBB gives a great example above with how Craig evolved but Steve somehow never did. Regardless of what anyone may think of Runyeon, a character on a continuing series should never be allowed to stagnate but I have a suspicion that at that point, all parties were aware that Steve had a very short shelf life left on the Oakdale canvass.
    Despite this, Marland was adept at tightly constructing his main storylines so that they had a definitive beginning, middle and end. At some point, ATWT stopped doing this well. In fact, all soaps pretty much stopped doing this well. One only need to look at the remaining soaps-many of which leave some storylines stranded, not even bothering to finish each before starting another.
    I still think that if P&G and CBS had pushed Nielsen (like the Primetime shows eventually did) to stop using antiquated methods to measure viewing #s and patterns, they probably would've discovered that a significant portion of the viewers had migrated to delayed viewing after recording by VCR.   Daytime waited for Primetime to complain (only a few years ago) to make this an issue w/DVRs and online. In the 80s/90s most people weren't recording Primetime shows because they were at home watching, which was not true for many Daytime audiences who were working outside the home in increasingly large numbers in the 80s/90s.
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  8. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Tennis Thread   

    Especially since that loss means Isner again becomes the #1 ranked American on Monday. It could mean something for seeding at the USO. Maybe. 

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  9. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic As The World Turns Discussion Thread   

    There is one person interviewed who stated that the reasons for the declines and cancellations of these shows were "complicated" but not just in the statements of some actors but across the industry, the OJ factor has become the accepted narrative.
    I often wondered why ABC, CBS and NBC Daytime divisions, as well as production companies like P&G didn't pool their resources and try to get the Nielsen people to find a way to include statistics from viewers who recorded soaps via VCR then viewed later- especially in the 1980s when soaps were cash cows and might've wielded more influence.
    Having seen a Nielsen box as well as knowing how Nielsen boxes work, I don't think it woud've been that difficult.  Nielsen eventually did this with online viewing and DVR but I think Primetime TV shows were the drivers behind this. Perhaps Daytime TV, despite all the high ratings and the fact that they were practically supporting their Primetime counterparts in the '80s, may still have regarded themselves as a 'red-headed stepchild' and believed themselves relatively powerless in driving change.
    If VCR delayed viewing had been included in the Nielsen ratings, this may have made a significant impact in negotiations with sponsors.
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  10. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic Soap Stars - Where are they now?   

    Anyone near Pittsfield, MA Tamara Tunie is appearing in a play called American Son at the Barrington Theater with encore performances scheduled for September 14-25.

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  11. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Politics Thread   

    Mr. Blow speaks truth to power that the overwhelming majority of Black people do not believe that Trump is speaking to them and that it's a ploy to get votes of moderate White Republicans who are uncomfortable voting for a racist troll.
    In other news, some Sanders staffers have quit the new political group after Sanders appointed Jeff Weaver.
    Staffers quit new Sanders group after campaign head joined 
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  12. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Tennis Thread   

    Steve Johnson is now the top ranked American man (for whatever that's worth) supplanting John Isner.
    ETA: Johnson just lost to Verdasco in NC.
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  13. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic As The World Turns Discussion Thread   

    Listening to raw recording audio from episode 12 of Radio Retropolis' Who Shot the Daytime Soap-The Rise and Fall of As The World Turns & Guiding Light online http://www.radioretropolis.com/ and I'm wondering if anyone has listened to this?
    Interesting commentary but IMO doesn't give the full picture. For one, I find it weird that there was discussion of the signs of decline and cancellation being present but nary a peep about Another World and honestly, how can you not discuss AW when discussing the cancellation of two other P&G shows?! I wasn't even close to a regular viewer of AW and even I knew that AW's cancellation was a watershed moment, if not at the time, certainly in retrospect once GL and ATWT were in danger.
    Also, I know that the OJ Simpson trial was seen as the beginning of the end, when daytime dramas started to struggle (although people often also note changes in the lives of women-more entering the workplace and not at home), but earlier this year I looked at the episodes from the early 90s of ATWT and when I got to '94 and '95 and I could barely get through some of the episodes! I couldn't help but wonder whether ATWT expected to lure viewers back with those storylines?!  I wondered whether other shows had similarly forgettable storylines during this time and had taken a lot viewer loyalty for granted. For decades, shows like ATWT and GL had pretty loyal viewers, there was probably every reason to believe that they'd return, also perhaps, they decided to put filler on until the majority of those viewers returned? Just a guess but maybe that's too far a reach? I mean, why would you save your strongest storylines for a future return of viewers when that may not happen? Why not put  out the strongest storylines immediately and promote the hell out of it, show the viewers what they've been missing?
    Colleen Zenk was the only guest who commented on ATWT, which I am flummoxed as to why? Her perspective was still enlightening but I wondered how much of what she said was opinion and how much was fact. Her reflections were still great especially of how the NYC location of these shows was mutually beneficial to the show and the actors.
    The podcast presenter did mention that he thought that the documentary that was done on TVG (later POP) would be just the beginning since he thought there was so much more to tell but he soon realized that TVG (POP) was only interested in highlighting the decline of the genre. I've always believed there was more to tell about the daytime drama, starting with its earliest history but I don't know if anyone has the interest or $$$ to do that volume of research and recording to tell a full story.
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  14. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic Soap Stars - Where are they now?   

    Came across this tweet and thought it was cute.
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  15. DramatistDreamer added a post in a topic The Politics Thread   

    Well, it looks like retaliation lawsuits don't just happen in the soap world.  FXNC sounds like a horrible company for a woman to work.
    Andrea Tantaros Lawsuit Targets Five Executives at Fox News for Retaliation
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