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  1. JFP was not the only person who wanted Phyllis de-aged. That's my point. Both CBS and Sony did. Bergman didn't recommend GT so I don't know where that came from either. He didn't know and had never met GT until the audition (actually they claimed they may have met once but neither remembered). He has told the story himself about how Laura Wright told him at the Emmys after Gina got the part that Gina was going to be amazing and she's sweet and blah blah when he was still unsure about bringing Phyllis back. Plus, GT's biggest audition moments were scenes with Josh Morrow. The directive to put Philly back together came from higher up than Mal obviously. Mal is the EP. Sally is both the co-HW and the EP and even after all of that talking Mal did to the mags she STILL said they weren't happening. Mal does NOT outrank Sally. Angelica and/or Sony stepped in and told her to put Philly back together. I'm sure that Victoria and Billy will get back together eventually, nobody believes Philly are some forever couple, I just don't think anybody sees Phack that way anymore either. In fact, the first thing Sally did when she got here was immediately stop with the Phyllis crying over Jack stuff and put her on a dating app and hanging in Nick's bar all the time. And I also don't think Sally is as sold on Victoria and Billy as everyone thinks, not this version. Because she had six months to put them together before they went back to Philly and all the did was almost kiss I think once and the rest of the time was Billy doing a bunch of boring after-school specialish scenes with Reed. But I think this board really underestimates how at odds Sony and CBS seem to be about current Y&R. For some reason people think it's just Sally and Mal at odds. I don't. The survey about JT made that blatantly clear. Angelica McDaniel is on Twitter assuring people he isn't going anywhere while Sony is sending out a Survey asking if you miss Billy Miller and if you like JT less than him. I don't even get the "letting him hang himself" stuff cause the HW always goes before the EP and Mal already signed his new contract. It's quite obvious that Angelica or Steve Kent or someone said they'd rather she not give any interviews. Michael Logan said they would do a part two after she had been on Y&R six months and nothing. That apparently isn't happening.
  2. Ehh that wasn't all JFP's doing. When it was originally reported that they were looking for a recast Phyllis it came from Sony. After GT won the Emmy there were pics of her out to dinner solo with Steve Kent and Sony is the one who "leaked" the info about her audition to the press. That's why I never believed it was just Phyllis fans or the casting of Phyllis was JUST a JFP thing. Sony was also very integral and everyone mentioned by them too was 40 or younger. I'm not going to keep going back and forth about this but if Mal and Sally had any real use for 99% of the cast they'd be doing more than they are (with the exception of Amelia, Christel and Daniel). Does that also apply to Eileen? Who has no real story of her own? Or Bryton? Or Melody? Sharon? Like, you do realize that it's damn near August and nobody has anything CLOSE to an Emmy reel except maybe Greg Rikaart (and I guess CK or DG if you think they've been marginally decent - I don't). I think a better argument is the belief that Sally had other plans for Phyllis but Sony or CBS forced her to keep Philly together (after she swore in an interview that they wouldn't be) and so this is the result. It's quite obvious something happened because Gina was giving interviews about discussions she had (I guess with Sally) about Phyllis being single and re-discovering herself and how she was excited to play that and then randomly it was back to Phyllis and Billy. It was obviously network-mandated or Sony because Sally made her opinion on them quite clear. But either way, I think it's silly to claim that the writers and EP are invested in anyone really when 99% the actors have no noteworthy material to speak of 8 months into the year (and many of them have verbalized this). Aside from all of that.....does anyone find it odd that Sally no longer gives interviews? She gave that first interview to Michael Logan, there was some ugly backlash and nobody has heard a word from her since. Mal gives every single interview in every single magazine article. She literally has not said a word (and if you go back and read her interview - NONE of what she said actually happened). It's like Angelica or Steve Kent or someone read the interview and not only shut her down but told her that all her plans won't fly and she needs to change them (she said no more Jack vs. Victor, she said no more Philly, she said a great love for Ashley, she named her top 8 characters and many of them barely make the top 10 in episode counts now....)
  3. I don't think they'd ever seriously do Victoria and Cane. Lane ain't seriously breaking up anytime soon. I can't stand MO as Abby, she has anti-chemistry with every man she is paired with or tested with. HHK was the same way (though I found her a slightly more tolerable actress overall) Well apparently Sony does if that shady survey they sent out was any indication. But none of the couples that Sally has created work. Devon/Mariah, Jordan/Hillary, Noah/Tessa, Sharon/Scott, bunch of boring others. It's actually her biggest weakness and she fired the writers who really excelled at it like Kate Hall. But I'm fairly certain that Y&R has the oldest and whitest writing staff in daytime by a country mile since Sally took over so it's not a surprise that I find it dull, slow and outdated (including how they write romance and relationships).
  4. Have heard from several people that a Jack and Phyllis reunion ain't happening for a lot of reasons but mainly because neither Mal nor Sally likes them romantically and PB's days as a romantic/sexy lead doing love scenes are over - and obviously they like GT's Phyllis naked all the damn time. Plus I think part of the reason Sony & CBS wanted Phyllis de-aged was to eventually move her away from Jack. The casting call they put out when GT was hired was for someone 30-40. But yeah, I don't care about a single thing in that promo.
  5. How did I miss this and what was that OTT reaction from Victoria? This is so poorly acted and dramatic for a splash of water lol.
  6. So Nikki's MS is cured huh? So absurd.
  7. So...I'm not agreeing with this narrative and it's honestly not why I posted the episode counts. Gina has done more than fine on this show. She led episode counts last year. She was the main focus of a whole triangle that lasted an entire year. She got her Emmy, the entire story of Victor's trial and reveal of Victor/Marco and what was done to Phyllis was all EB and GT (hell PB didn't even get much there) so I can't agree with the idea that she's gotten nothing. There are a lot of other people who have gotten a lot less in recent years. She isn't getting much under Sally (then again IMO, 95% of the women on the show aren't). I've seen a lot of "AH has been good since LA" I mean, I guess, but I don't know what it says that the bar is so low that she gets applauded for going what, 3-4 weeks without being awful? And yes I also agree that the writers have stripped, not just Phyllis, but most of the women of the show of personality frankly. I guess Hilary is the exception maybe, but while I love MiM, I don't get the praise for the writing for Hilary. She's a busybody, she's moving around a lot, she isn't drive any story whatsoever though. Playing sidekick to Juliet, interviewing Julie Chen and crying in a corner while Devon screws Mariah is great? Anyway, but look at the awful 180 they have done to Mariah. Phyllis has been made bland, Lauren is void of anything, I'm not even going to start on Nikki, Chelsea never had much of a personality anyway, and while I'm glad that Sharon isn't crazy anymore they don't have to make her into someone who just pours coffee and listens to Scott, Mariah and Nick's problems.
  8. He is on too much too but I was mainly focusing on the women and the lack of story that Sally gives any of them BUT Victoria. Each of them might have a week or two of focus and then they disappear for 3-4 weeks or they have background supporting scenes where they do nothing (Sharon Case actually had an episode where she had NO dialogue, she just sat there and smiled for an hour).
  9. I find it bizarre that nobody here seems to have an issue with this. Is it because it's Sally? Cause if Pratt's episode counts for some of these women looked like this.... 2017 Episode RankingsGina Tognoni (Phyllis Summers) 66 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90 Eileen Davidson (Ashley Abbott) 60 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90 Mishael Morgan (Hilary Curtis) 60 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90Melody Thomas Scott (Nikki Newman) 54 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90Sharon Case (Sharon Collins) 52 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90Melissa Claire Egan (Chelsea Lawson) 52 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90Judith Chapman (Gloria Bardwell) 43 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90Melissa Ordway (Abby Newman) 43 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90Tracey Bregman (Lauren Baldwin) 40 vs. Amelia Heinle (Victoria Newman) 90 For the most part ALL THE WOMEN ON THE SHOW get an equal amount of airtime (though for most it's a bunch of nothing) and disappear for weeks at a time except one. It's absolutely ridiculous that she's been on damn near 40 more episodes than MTS, SC, MCE, etc. And I believe she has only had ONE episode off the entire month of July so expect that number to grow and grow.
  10. When in the world would someone who travels back and forth from LA to NY every week have time to do theatre? Unless it was something in LA? But I have never believed that she wanted to stay on Y&R longterm frankly. I thought she'd leave after 5 or 6 years anyway. As much as I like her, I think it's fine for her to take a backseat on the show for a while. She has lead the show for basically 3 years straight got 2 Emmy nominations in 3 years and won an Emmy. It's okay if she has a slow 6 or so months. It's not much different than anyone else. Eileen is on sporadically and just to have repetitive conversations with Jack and has no love life, Victoria is on entirely too much and has no love life, Sharon has nothing close to resembling a story but she does listen to Scott talk about his 50 million backstories, Mariah has no story, the list goes on and on and on. There's the Brash & Sassy story and everyone else has a collection of scenes. Oh and the exit that won't end with Kevin and Chloe that disappears for 6 weeks then pops back up again for some reason (just leave already).
  11. I thought Eileen pretty much said recently no thank you to a Victor/Ashley revisit.
  12. Did you see this? Isn't her contract up this summer? Has she even agreed to re-sign it? She planning an exit?
  13. This piano recital plot point is dreadful, boring, juvenile and dumb. CK and DG have been terrible with the Lane stuff. Rest of the show is a dull snooze not even worth discussing. What is worth discussing is this shady tweet that CLB just retweeted on his timeline (actors certainly have not been hiding their displeasure with the show lately):
  14. https://www.tvinsider.com/272809/melody-thomas-scott-dishes-young-and-the-restless/ Short Melody: Nikki is stupid, this story with Tessa is stupid and makes no sense, I don't know why Nikki stays with Victor either - she needs someone else.
  15. I've been watching Y&R since about 1988 so that answers that question and there were plenty of stories. And no I don't watch Game of Thrones but what the hell does Thrones have to do with Y&R? So Jack marrying Nikki to get back at Victor on the same day that Victor was intending to propose to Nikki wasn't a story? And then Victor making a deal with Jack that he'd give the Abbotts full control of Jabot if he stayed away from Nikki and the kids forever wasn't a story? Or on the day that Nikki is about to tell Victor that she will leave Jack for him she finds out she's pregnant - that's not a story? And then Nikki falling off her horse, having a miscarriage and getting addicted to alcohol and pain meds wasn't a story? WHAT? Let's go to the Winters family - there were no stories there? Is that the claim lol? If you disagree or just love Sally that's fine, but lets not pretend that there were never really stories during the Bill Bell era. There are full episode clips from that era in the Classic Y&R thread for your viewing pleasure that prove otherwise. Sure. There's a bunch of tv shows I have enjoyed - VEEP, The Sopranos, The Wire, Mad Men, Carmichael Show, Fargo....what do any of those shows have to do with my dislike of current Y&R? There is entirely too much singing. Even the snippets of music is too much frankly. I wasn't talking about the actress playing Tessa, I was talking about the character. But if you think it's riveting for Nikki to spend her once a week scenes counseling some boring moping street kid and playing Casio keyboard in a dirty bar - by all means lol. I care how small the B&S office is. The entire premise of B&S being in the basement of Jabot was stupid, and yes the fact that it's a terribly cramped set just adds to the reason why Brash & Sassy doesn't work. I'm getting my opinion on people phoning in their performances from actually watching the show. It'll be fun watching actors (besides maybe Greg and MCE) struggle to find anything worthwhile to submit for Emmy consideration at the end of this year. They shouldn't even waste their time frankly. Also let's not act like a ton of people in the cast haven't been bitching on Twitter and Instagram and very few have been overly enthusiastic about anything on the show in the last 6 months. No comment on the Y&R ratings/demos and Sally's difficulties with it or her needing a co-HW? I figured. Look, I never had much faith in Sally anywhere. She's pretty much failed every place she was given a solo HW position (JFP even fired her from Hollywood Heights) but I was hopeful that she'd write an interesting show and perhaps turn things away from the ugly ugly downslide that started for Y&R ratings and demo-wise in September and October. She hasn't actually managed to do one positive thing in terms of viewers or demos and that's because again it's a boring show where nothing happens. There are so many people saying this is classic Y&R and this is just like the old days of Y&R (I frankly think that is an insult to Bill Bell but if we're going with that)....am I to understand that people think it's a good thing for a show, in 2017, to be written the same way it was written in 1989?